Noynoy Ad Reminiscent of Nazi Propaganda?
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I hate political advertisements. To me it’s just a waste of money that should be spent elsewhere. I would like the candidates to spend their election funds on projects that would be beneficial to people in need.
Officially, I have no candidates yet. I’m still busy looking through candidates with my personal magnifying glass. There are the political ads, with their shots at informing the electorate of their platform, if there ever was one, but mostly their faces and their attempt of projecting themselves as candidates, pathetic as it may be.
Having been with the media for sometime and having worked in the public relations field, I know for a fact that months before, PR people were already busy plotting their own candidate’s campaign.
Even cause-oriented groups are brainstorming strategies on how to help promote their own choice of alternative candidates who lack the traditional political machinery needed to win an election. And however I personally dislike the whole process of political TV advertisements, it has become an effective venue to promote ones candidate to the most number of voters.
This takes me to the Noynoy Ad backed by celebrities of both the Kapamilya and Kapuso Networks. As is present in all ideas by excellent PR people, the ad was flagged by several symbolism that play on the minds of our people.
The presence of celebrities from two warring Philippine media networks leads us to believe that Noynoy can unite the two, providing us with the idea that if Noynoy can unite the two, surely he can do the country too.
The presence of torches makes a magnificent touch as well as it touched on the people’s vigilance and struggle for our rights, and quite frankly because it adds drama to it.
I believe the PR plot to this is to make Noynoy look like the face of a new change. And you cannot downplay a messianic fix on his campaign because the country had been under one leader for quite a while. And people who had seen quite a lot of government scandals are hungry for change, whatever that is.
Again, these are work of PR professionals.
While it lacks the necessary information a wise and critical voter might look for, I say the ad itself is successful in projecting Noynoy’s image as a unifier and a leader. But that is not to say I am for him. The political ads are simply part of the game.
What was disturbing to me was when some people, even this early, tries to resort to dirty tricks just to promote their own candidates. It is not just annoying and rude but hideous as well.
I was on facebook when I saw one who kept shoving down someone else’s throat commendations and all the accomplishment Many Villar had done to Las Pinas. I mumbled to myself, “Well, he ain’t running for President of Las Pinas, right?” but I chose not to join the lousy argument.
But then someone referred to the now famous Noynoy ad as reminiscent of Nazi Propaganda. This shot up my blood pressure. Why? Because invoking such is like inciting hate.
One fellow named Kris Andres remarks that Noynoy ad, with the symbolism presented therein is like a Nazi propaganda and the doings of the Liberal Party is pretty much like what Hitler had done.
Here are some of his remarks that you can also find at Reyna Elena’s thread on facebook.
“ The tug on emotion and use of symbolism are reminiscent of Nazi propaganda”
”My point about the Nazi propaganda is just this: Hitler was able to convince the Germans into waging war against Jews through a series of emotional propaganda and symbolisms, similar to what the Liberal Party has able to accomplished.”
”I am not espousing hate here. Like I said, you can remove the Nazi part, but a propaganda is a propaganda… and the Nazis were good at it.”
Now this not only a ridiculous and hateful idea, it is also very far-fetched and way below the belt. As far as I know, Kris is a supporter of Gibo Teodoro who is also running for the Presidency in 2010. So describing Noynoy’s ad and the Liberal Party as a whole as somehow Nazi-like is a pathetic display of deceitfulness simply aimed at providing contempt and hate.
All propagandas are full of symbolism. It is not only the Nazis that were good at it, even the Russians, the Maoists. Hell, even small rallies are full of flags aimed at projecting themselves as huge formations. Just go to Plaza Miranda and wait. This idea is psychological but also very elementary.
And in the business of politics and mass actions, this is also fair game.
Now Kris is probably not espousing hate, as he tells he’s not, but equating political propagandas as a some form of Nazi activity would definitely lead to hate. His fondness of Hitler should not led him to sway away from truths that are not just reminiscent of our times but from our future as well. That in running or supporting a campaign, whether election or not, being fair always wins.
And if Noynoy does not have what it takes or the background to become President, it does not matter. Noynoy does not need to do a thing. Gloria Arroyo’s shadow behind Teodoro is more than enough for Noynoy to win.
And this I quote it from Sun Tzu, and I say this to Kris Andres cum Empress Maruja who loves to recite passages from Hitler…
“To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy itself. One may know how to conquer without being able to do it.”
Now I am very much disappointed in the Arroyo administration and I would very much like wanted to have them in jail but I would not want them to be hanged in public or gassed in a death chamber.
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I think calling Noy a Nazi is both stupid and way below the belt. The video is very simple yet someone took the time to over-analyse it and pointed out parts and ideas that were ‘too Nazi’. IMHO, if Noy’s propaganda can be called Nazi, then everybody else’s too. Wala naman silang pinagkaiba eh. And the symbolism of torches? Haynaku, madilim sa gubat noh. Kelangan ng ilawan! Symbolism my a**.
kaya nga di ba? parang napaka stupid naman. nagkataon lang na magaling yung gumawa ng ad ni noynoy kasi nakaka-dala. di katulad nung iba. anyhoo, pareho lang naman ang objective ng lahat ng yan. ang makahatak ng boto.
nazism? anlayo!
Referring to the ABS-CBN methods of repetitive flashing of an ad that misrepresents the facts, is different from saying that Noy is a Nazi.
Though Noy’s supporters show the rabid obliviousness reminiscent of people who took Joseph Goebbels propa job hook, line, and sinker – there is no statement that can be construed to say Noy is a nazi.
However, who exactly said Noy is a Nazi in the first place?
Putting statements in other people’s mouths or projecting one’s interpretation of how other people are reacting instead of actually identifying and replying to the message being articulated is kinda .
Okay Bong V. Sinabi mo eh. Hahahahaha!
Icheck natin yan. LOL
Just too good not to post. Facebook, welcome to Barrio Siete. Some of my friends may not like it, but what the heck. I’m all grown up. I can choose my own desserts.
yes raul. we’re grown up now. we can take it.
Sharing brother! Got this from Raul Ibanez FB page:
hahaha i can’t help laughing at it, he seemed to be describing what we already know! PR work is something, one could see Russia from Manila indeed.
wahahahah! exactly. very true indeed!
Noynoy’s ad as Nazi propaganda. So the TORCH is the new swastika?
on “tugging of emotions,” great works by the PR team, surely, they know how to catch the interest of the viewers (di ba, we all love a little drama every now and then) Definitely one the best political ads there is, in terms of production, cinematography and concept haha.
on being backed up by stars, that’s another PR strategy. everybody’s doing it. villar has sarah geronimo and parokya ni edgar to back him up. erap has tya pusit and rez cortez, hahaha.
jealous much? because Gibo can’t pull off such ‘drama’ as that? maybe Gibo should start social climbing with the stars too, donchathink? LOLS
Trulili! Jealous because they can’t get artistas to endorse them for FREE! Yun na!
confident daw sila kay Willie.
Of course they should be confident Kuya B. Sa laki ba naman ng binabayad nila kay Willie at sa mga….ay huwag na lang! Hahahaha
sempre, laki kickback sa c5, doble doble pa.
kasi all his career at the Defense Dept. busy si Gibo maki social climb sa mga sundalo. it’s only after magkaalaman na tatakbo syang Presidente na na-realized ko why.
So Noynoy is the new Hitler? He better grow mustache asap if he wants to live by the crab accusations.
as far as I know, it was the Marcoses who detained 70,000 political prisoners, 30,000 of those were either missing, salvaged or killed. Ninoy was also the one who uncovered the Jabidah Massacre which Marcos orchestrated in Mindanao. At that time, no one knows where these political prisoners were. Yet the Gov’t owned stations ran propagandas of the Bagong Lipunan: disiplinado, makatao and makadios every day.
Yun ang example ng NAZI propaganda par excellence. White outside but rotting inside.
If Noynoy is Hitler, don’t you think Villar is Napoleon (divide and conquer), Erap is Machiavelli (everything is amoral) and Gloria is Nero/Nera? (blame it on the christians)?
i dunno. but according to Neri… “she’s evil.”
What’s all the hate about Noynoy Aquino???
Ganun ba yun kapag kinatatakutan ang kalaban kailangan tirahin below the belt? Very unclassy…
Snow, as usual may hindi na naman inabutan ng buwanang dalaw. Charing!
hahahaha Loko ka talaga mel
Indeed, a glossy campaign ad should complement a political campaign of substance. The problem with Noynoy is that he is relying almost entirely on the gloss without exhibiting any inclination to provide the substance.
But then the reality is that form that is devoid of substance often finds favour in a society that has an extensive track record of not putting a premium on substance.
This fundamental character of Da Pinoy exhibits itself in no less than The Jeepney — that quintessential symbol of “Filipino Ingenuity”. It is known — and famous — for its exterior appearance and not for its internal engineering (which for the most part is a rustbucket of re-conditioned engines and cannibalised parts.
Look no further than what cyclone Ondoy revealed last September. Underneath Manila’s gloss and glamour festered a monstrous complex of decrepit drainage infrastructure clogged by decades of accumulated garbage and human waste.
Ninoy’s glossy campaign so completely reflects the character of the Filipino. Filipinos indeed deserve each other.
you are indeed right on that benigno. a campaign ad not just a glossy one, should complement substance. problem is and this is how the system goes, most if not all ads are just a quickie way to project the candidates. all we can hear are soundbites and motherhood statements.
the whole system needs fixing. we need electoral change, we need it to be effective and applicable.
funny you say Filipinos deserves each other, so you’ve given up and found a new country? lol!
hahahaha i agree na dun sa mga nauna.
pagdating sa huling linya natawa ako ng husto,magpapalit na ba ko ng nationality from pinoy to chinese?hahaha
ok lang sayo kasi atleast maganda yang lugar mo compare dito hahaha.
The essence of Nazi propaganda is telling a lie often so that it starts to sound like the truth.
The crux then boils down to identifying, whether or not – there is a lie or a misrepresentation or downplaying of the facts, sweeping it under the rug with a tug to the emotions. Then repeating the process (or playing the ad over and over again).
In this case, Noynoy’s ad is not alone, and is no different from the ads of other trapos – vacuous, full of emotional appeals, but totally devoid of substance.
It would have been more appropriate to say that Noynoy’s ad is just one of the many ads versus the other many factions of the oligarchs Nazi-like machinery, complete with Pinoy supremacists and their similarly vacuous idols.
There’s nothing to hate. Do not mistake amusement at the naivete for hate.
like Kris said, a propaganda is a propaganda. true. it is part of every campaign. but we should not equate propaganda as lies. i think na-misconceptualize lang natin ang word. kasi madalas na kapag nagpo-propaganda ang karamihan, puro spin-off and not entirely true.
besides, the Nazis have a distinct ideology albeit inhuman.
noynoy had no ideology except of course his running for office, same as any other candidates.
There are propaganda with lies – and there are propaganda without lies.
The challenge is knowing which ones are full of lies – and which ones are not.
For example, one has to really evaluate the validity of the “pro-poor” line. A cheesy TV ad does not bring out the fact that there lies a trail of dead bodies in Hacienda Luisita and the support for a watered down CARP.
An ad which tackles these issues head on would be a categorical statement, that could have shown the candidate as having a spine (or the lack thereof).
also true. a propaganda either has lies or without. it is up those on the receiving end if they will take it as it is.
but bong, what we are discussing here is the correctness of comparing Noynoy’s ad or anybody else’s political ad to a Nazi stunt and not about the issue of Hacienda Luisita and CARP.
I wonder why some of us here kept saying and comparing some of the Trapos as Nazi-like and Supremacists. You know, those are very strong words. Are you up for a revolution now? Can we do it? What kind of revolution are you espousing?
Lots of people, like we at the barrios siete hate trapos too. But that does not refrain us from looking for alternative candidates. I know that this election, like any other election is simply like this: we just change whoever sits in Malacananang.
But we could get tactical gains from it. Even the far left have joined the election process, because they realized this.
Changing our country does not start and end in elections. It is a combination of movements on all fronts.
And if we do not choose a tactical ally this coming election, we will lose whatever little thing we could gain from it.
Like I said, I am not for noynoy yet. Do you have an alternative?
I’d go on a limb and say there is substantial room to argue in favor of its correctness. For one, ads do not exist in a vacuum – ads are part of a marketing continuum that starts from the product itself – its features and benefits; to the crafting of the marketing message; to refining the message in the various marketing channels; and to the actual buy-in.
The ad in isolation has no value at all. But when taken in the wider context of the political campaign, one can see for oneself and make the conclusion whether such ad is consistent with the product’s features.
If the ad is not consistent with the product, and despite such inconsistency, continues to get airtime to the point that the repetition glosses over the inconsistency and people start to believe that there is no inconsistency – then, Joseph Goebbels, Nazi minister of propaganda couldn’t be any happier with ABS-CBN and GMA-7.
Submitted on 2009/11/11 at 12:03am
The more I compare the positions (or the lack thereof) on the issues of the day among the candidates, the more that Nick Perlas stands out as an oasis in the Philippines’ intellectual desert.
The policy positions in – http://www.nicanor-perlas.com/2010/strategic-agenda.html and this – http://www.nicanor-perlas.com/Nicanor/complete-platform2.html are quite comprehensive and substantive.
Moreover, reading the recent interviews of the frontrunners with the LGU executives made me laugh hysterically when I juxtapose their replies against this book – http://www.amazon.com/Shaping-Globalization-Society-Cultural-Threefolding/dp/9719223308
As far as I am concerned, proven ability, vision and platform, internationally acclaimed credentials trumps winnability and pedigreed vacuousness.
Of course, the oligarch dominated mass media does not want to give exposure to Nick Perlas because his ideas include putting the oligarch monopolies on the chopping block.
BongV,
there are now three of us asking who’s your alternative. if you can be this hypercritical – then share us what you know best of the other candidate.
we’re there. Noynoy is not is. he’s a nazi. friend of goebel. he’s got not platform. hes for the oligarch. the video is nasty as is the music. hes a dictator.
so who’s your alternative?
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bongV, please do not isolate Noynoy’s ad with the rest of these lousy political ads on air. like i said they are ALL lousy in the context that it should be a venue to promote the platform of the candidate, and not provide mere motherhood statements or soundbites.
what i am saying here is simply this, if we conclude that all political ads and other activities where political forces provide a show of force are a form of Nazi or Nazi-like activities, we are more than just paranoid. In fact I would go more than that, we are hate-mongering.
Nazi and Hitler equals hate. And I stand for that. I don’t know about you.
I have no experience with marketing. But I do understand whatever you are saying about refining an ad to promoting it. But why don’t you take of that vacuum continuum that you are talking about and speak in a language that you yourself could understand.
We could discuss time space continuum maybe after I posted an article about Einstein’s theory perhaps?
As i said, I am not for Noynoy nor anybody yet. Hence I ask again, Do you have one to recommend.
I apologize if I am not familiar with Nazi writings are most of you guys are so fond of so I really don’t know why you guys kept dropping the Nazi fix.
oo nga naman BongV sabihin mo na sa amin kung sino talaga ang napipisil mong kandidato o gusto mong maging presidente, para hindi na paikot-ikot ang usapan. Madali namang kausapin si Kapitana Reynz, para mai-post din nya ang iyung manok! di ba kapitana?
he responded on the other thread at eto ang sagot nya:
Hmmm. Sino kaya? Now, my curiosity has been piqued …
raul,
look above.
oo nga sinubay-bayan ko mag hapon ang balitaktakan hahaha kaya lang may problema….hindi ko kilala ang manok nya!
Nicky Perlas has platform, and zero votes. Is that a factor? Gibo has platform, tied to plenty strings. Noy has no platform, but has good PR. Strings? You bet! His family’s been in politics far too long to think he comes with no strings. He may just be the next president. If not, then who? Shall we wait a little bit? See who shows up for dinner?
hahhaha!
etong mga eherrrm tatlong barakong katunggali ko eh wala naman palang mga kandidato, atake nang atake sa kandidato ko. simple lang naman, who is it, para lipat ako sa column nila. aba! pinoy ako! sanay sa mga balimbing! hahaha!
reynz,
is that such a bad thing not having a candidate yet? in my case i’m not really interested in pitting candidates. comparing plans and platforms that’s more interesting to me.
but as i said earlier, hayaan mo as soon as i pick a candidate i’ll tell you about it. right now i’m reviewing information on escudero. i heard he had a luncheon with some bloggers recently. i’m checking what came out of their interview.
btw, about noynoy. you know what i will concede that he is a powerful candidate right now dahil nga sa yellow fever. he would be even more powerful if he had a great platform. and he could be a great president if he’ll stick to carrying out a great platform. kaya nga sana ilabas na niya platform niya tutal namamayagpag na rin naman ang political ads niya. di naman siguro sisitahin ng comelec hindi nga siya sinisita sa ads.
it’s more of unfair than being being bad, although it could be bad if like all three of you could castigate our opinion, leveled stupid choices with no chance of making intelligent choices yet ya’all would not be upfront with your candidate for fear of the same scrutiny.
i don’t know what to say. i’ve been upfront already. i said i previously considered gordon but he’s not running anymore i think. right now wala pa. peksman di talaga ako villar. i don’t like him at all. chiz? di rin. although i am reviewing the youtube videos of his recent interview with some bloggers. tingnan ko kung may sustansya.
it’s just me i’d rather wait for the platforms before i make a choice.
nothing unfair with benchmarking. if i compare Tide, Breeze, and Ajax based on which is more environmentally friendly – and can’t endorse anything because all are not environmentally friendly – am i being unfair?
then out comes Arm and Hammer – which turns out to be environmentally friendly. therefore, one can now make the conclusion and identify the environmentally-friendly product.
isn’t that what honesty demands?
or would you rather lie to give the semblance of fairness? sounds kinda iffy doesn’t it.
well, Nick Perlas is a progressive candidate, i just wonder why so far I see no groups backing him up yet…
it probably has something to do with the fact that most voters are still hung up on “winability.” the bad thing about “winability” is it’s very much a product of public perception manipulation. surveys, frequency of political ads and all those other things. if you think about it’s really just cosmetic. sana nga talaga magbago na ang kalakaran. tama na ang personality-based politics platform-based na dapat. yun pagbabago yun.
Ang feeling ko at this stage with vociferous yeah-yeah from my friendships, Noynoy na lang. Kaya lang, say ko, baka yang Noynoy maging Nguynguy. Pero, say ng friendships, who’s to tell? A, ewan, parang least of many evils ang game na ‘to.
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Teka teka hindi ko get ang konek. Someoe run out of things to write I guess, nangimbento.
BTW, I think this one classifies as propaganda too.
And he has a platform diba?
If you dont like emotional adverts, try GORDON’s silen night hahaha ayooooon ang emotional haha — mas may connect pa yun to a dicktator hahaha