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• promking says:

  November 12, 2009 at 9:37 pm

  so if this is true.. it is the same case as Villars? ganun po ba yun?

  the problem in here is that, Noynoy is not the sole owner of the Hacienda Luisita. yung ke Villar, e kanya nga talaga yun.

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  • reynz says:

    November 12, 2009 at 9:44 pm

    that’s the whole idea promking. what happened at Hacienda Luisita is obviouly horrible. the idea is to turn that around and blame it on Noynoy. when President Cory Aquino assume presidency, she divested her ownership which really diluted their ownership (one commenter left this dun sa kabilang thread by the name of Jonas) and it’s not really Noynoy at mas lalong hindi sya directly na gumawa nito or makakasolve nito because HL1 is a corporation (sabi naman ni Maldita ako eh). so you can see kung pano ang negative ad campaign tactics are being worked out.

    besides suspect masyado yung labas nung news na to. right?

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    • bluepanjeet says:

      November 12, 2009 at 10:08 pm

      Reynz, I think it would be better if you come up with crash course similar to what you posted on RE about the JP Morgan, Marryl Lynch and the reason why the recession came. Tanda mo yung nagcomment pa si Ms. Ellen?

      Since you are in the corporate world, you can explain the technicalities as to why the heck Noynoy has NO say in the decision making process in the Luisita in light of his 4% hold on the stocks. Yung iba kasi nakiki ayon lang sa balita without taking into account the real score inside the board room.

      In my understanding as a layman, having a meager 4% out of 100% share in stocks is not much of a force in the boardroom. actually in some companies, 4% of shares are sold to consumers and to the public kaya kahit stakeholder ang public wala pa rin sila say sa decision ng board. Tama ba ako? haha sensya wala ako masyado alam sa math.

      kasi yung mga tao di magets yung implication ng shares sa final say sa decision making sa isang kumpanya.

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      • reynz says:

        November 12, 2009 at 10:11 pm

        actually yun na yon blue na sinabi mo hehehe the lesser the number, the lesser your voice is hahaha

        fact is, negative campaign backfires, kaya baka naman tong si benigno at bongv are actually rooting for noynoy dahil the more they hit on noynoy, and mindset nang pinoy is to support more.

        anyway, let me see what i can do.

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        • promking says:

          November 12, 2009 at 10:59 pm

          pero may balik pa rin ito dear barrio..

          kasi sabi sa report, proponent daw si Noynoy nung ruling na pagbili ng lupain.. kahit papano, there is conflict of interest (kahit 4% lang)..

          well, kesa naman ke Villar na talagang inikot pa yung c5 road para lang masagasaan yung lupain niya at mabayaran siya ng malaki.

          anyway, para sa akin, undervalued ang mga lupain sa Pilipinas. Hindi ako naniniwalang 6-8pesos lang ang 1 sq meter ng sugar land. dagdag mo pa yung kung gaano ka-contested ang hacienda luisita at gaano ito kasikat.
        • reynz says:

          November 12, 2009 at 11:02 pm

          basahin ko uli promking,

          pero dun sa point na 6/8 pesos, ano ba yon? maniniwala ka pa ba dun? parang nilagay lang para to push the point nung article na tlagang corruption sya. me tinatawag na fair market value at tama ang sinabi mo about “sikat” dahil ang goodwill is also included in the pricing
        • bluepanjeet says:

          November 12, 2009 at 11:13 pm

          Tsaka tama yung sinabi ni reynz, na dapat malaman din natin kung ano hatiaan ng shares sa luisita kasi baka naman yung 4% ni Noynoy ay yun ang majority. Though it would be probable but I think it would be impossible kasi bakit nya iistress na 4% lang ang share nila kung malaki yun. Pero dapat siguro na ring malaman talaga hatiaan ng maklaro na ang stand nitong si noy. at kung bakit sya proponent dun sa sinasabi ni Prom king.

          Pero may nabasa ako na rebuttal sa sinulat ni Patricia Evanglista about the Yellow Jesus hehe. Antayin na lang siguro natin yung susunod na post kung meron man
        • reynz says:

          November 13, 2009 at 1:15 am

          andyan na yung rebuttal dun sa sinulat in Patricia Evangelista – who by the way (except sa laman nung article nya hahah) magaling na writer yong loka hahaha

          anyway, andun sa baba ang rebuttal and it’s truly eye opening, very interesting.
• promking says:

  November 12, 2009 at 11:59 pm

  At the hearing conducted yesterday by the House oversight committee headed by Quezon Rep. Danilo Suarez, lawmakers uncovered that the Cojuangco-controlled HLI, was a direct beneficiary of the SCTEX project, whose proponent, as revealed in the Jan. 12, 2005 Senate hearing, was Noynoy Aquino who was then a congressman.

  from:
  http://www.tribune.net.ph/headlines/20091112hed1.html

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  • BongV says:

    November 13, 2009 at 12:03 am

    promking:

    thanks for the link. all i can say is … it figures!!!

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  • reynz says:

    November 13, 2009 at 12:10 am

    promking,

    naka-link na sya dun sa blog article ko. i was comparing same articles na nilabas nang PDI and Tribune.

    thanks.

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• BongV says:

  November 13, 2009 at 12:00 am

  * The 1st trick was to simply attack the frontrunner. That happens to be Noynoy. On whatever issue.

  This is incorrect. All the presidentiables were “attacked”. Noynoy’s opponents were also attacked by Pro-Noynoy as being corrupt. Moreover, scrutiny is not an “attack’.

   * The 2nd trick was to attack Noynoy on his platform. He must be viewed as not knowing. He’s got none, therefore not Presidential.

   Incorrect. Requesting for a platform from ALL candidates is not a trick, it’s what responsible citizens do. If it happens that a candidate does not have a platform, that indicates the candidates frame of mind in providing solutions – nothing, zilch, nada. The candidates Aquino, Estrada, Escudero, and Villar dont’ have platforms – not just Noynoy. It’s not only Noynoy who is not presidential but so are Estrada, Villar, and Escudero.

  * The 3rd trick was to use Hacienda Luisita and frame the questioning to make it appear that Noynoy was actually at fault here, sole decision maker, heartless and refuse to act. Better still, blame that the massacre was done by him.

  The facts of the case are:

  http://www.bulatlat.com/news/4-43/4-43-massacre.html
  (From La Kapitana – a link to the story is good enough para the whole discussion is easy enough to read. I hope i deleted the correct article. If not let me know.)
  -

  In this instance, Rep Aquno could have saved lives by addressing the issue of land reform head-on with his relatives – but, he did not. In not doing so, he demonstrates his moral cowardice.

  * The 4th trick is this: why not connect Gloria Macapagal Arroyo, given her ridiculous corruption image and hope that this would stick to ruin the clean image of Noynoy.

  Unfortunately for you, people living in glass houses who throw bricks will get their turn. Stick to the facts or do a Goebbels music ad?

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  • reynz says:

    November 13, 2009 at 12:02 am

    BongV,

    just a link to the story is enough. i will delete what you pasted. wag magalet.

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    • BongV says:

      November 13, 2009 at 12:04 am

      Reinz:

      it’s your call if you like to bury the story, says a lot about whitewashing and sweeping under the rug reminiscent of the Cory days

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      • reynz says:

        November 13, 2009 at 12:08 am

        i don’t think i’m burying it, masyadong mahaba sya mistulang blog within the blog, better na iblog mo na lang. if that was a short version i will probably allow you.

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        • reynz says:

          November 13, 2009 at 1:22 am

          and by the way – the link is still there and that was not deleted. pag buong comment ang dinelete, maybe you could accuse me of really pushing it under the rug.

          u can trust me that your opinion here will be protected hahaha di ba yan ang sinabi ni noynoy about the true essence of democracy?
        • BongV says:

          November 13, 2009 at 1:25 am

          reinz:

          as mentioned on noynoy’s “essence of democracy” – i disagree and cast my lot with the founding fathers – “democracy is government of the people, by the people for the people”
        • reynz says:

          November 13, 2009 at 1:30 am

          bong,

          hindi ka na mabiro. ganun naman talaga ang essence nang democracy. buy the people. poor the people. off the people.
        • reynz says:

          November 13, 2009 at 1:33 am

          in other words, hindi ako naniniwalang noynoy threw away that meaning of the govt of the, by the and for the. what i’m getting sa sinabi nya was tama naman yong you have to protect your enemies rights.
        • BongV says:

          November 13, 2009 at 6:03 am

          reinz:

          you have to protect.. but .. it ain’t the essence ayun sa mga lolong founding fathers of modern democracy
  • luis says:

    November 13, 2009 at 12:11 am

    heto ang dapat na basahin ni bongv,

    Below is William Esposo’s reply to Patricia Evangelista’s column Jesus in Yellow.

    This is a classic case of writing with lack of information and analysis. It did not register with this writer that:

    1. The Cojuangcos had no control of the government men who were involved in the shooting. Even Peping Cojuangco, the most political of the clan, has never been associated with violence and many times they have been the victims of it.

    2. This writer did not examine the agenda of the Reds against Cory whom they hated with a passion because she pre-empted the stage of stalemate that they would have achieved if Marcos held power two more years. That was the main reason why Ronald Reagan, who personally favored Marcos, agreed that Marcos must be replaced by Cory.

    Not only that, the Reds disintegrated because of the democratic space Cory created when she became president. That is why the Reds had their internal squabble which resulted in their killing fields. Their biggest political fronts were shattered by Jimmy Ferrer’s Local Government anti-insurgency campaign, a non-violent effort which restored people’s trust in the new Cory government.

    3. This writer did not examine what the Arroyo government was doing at the time. They were killing above ground Reds which became the reason why the UN sent an investigator here. Hacienda Luisita was a Red laboratory for promoting class conflict and so the administration found it most convenient to attack the Red operatives there.

    This writer also did not bother to check how the Arroyo government felt about Cory. They have been viciously attacking her. This attack thus served two objectives of the regime.

    4. This writer also did not bother to check why the Reds are very anti-Noynoy. This is a time when the political equation is almost similar to the 1986 ferment. The last thing the Reds want is another popular president who can restore national unity and initiate reform. Noynoy will make the Reds irrelevant again.

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    • BongV says:

      November 13, 2009 at 12:49 am

      1. The Cojuangcos had no control of the government men who were involved in the shooting. Even Peping Cojuangco, the most political of the clan, has never been associated with violence and many times they have been the victims of it.

       That’s a cop-out. HLI is already full of government men. You can’t control the shooting – but you can control the presence, as well as the condition. Removing the presence will mitigate the shooting – did you or did you not remove the presence?

      2. This writer did not examine the agenda of the Reds against Cory whom they hated with a passion because she pre-empted the stage of stalemate that they would have achieved if Marcos held power two more years. That was the main reason why Ronald Reagan, who personally favored Marcos, agreed that Marcos must be replaced by Cory.

      Not only that, the Reds disintegrated because of the democratic space Cory created when she became president. That is why the Reds had their internal squabble which resulted in their killing fields. Their biggest political fronts were shattered by Jimmy Ferrer’s Local Government anti-insurgency campaign, a non-violent effort which restored people’s trust in the new Cory government.

      That is a red herring and is irrelevant to the facts of the case. HLI was responsible and accountable for the shooting. HLI reneged on its agreement to distribute land.

      Moreover, the Reds are a symptomatic of the bigger systemic defect – an oligarch dominated economy. While the Red bogeyman is being raised, the oligarchs are tightening their noose around the economy. The oblivious masses are being fried in their own lard by the oligarchs.

      3. This writer did not examine what the Arroyo government was doing at the time. They were killing above ground Reds which became the reason why the UN sent an investigator here. Hacienda Luisita was a Red laboratory for promoting class conflict and so the administration found it most convenient to attack the Red operatives there.

      The presence of extreme disparity makes ripe picking for class conflict. Address the disparity and you address the Red. Has HLI addressed the disparity? NO, HLI has made it worse.

      This writer also did not bother to check how the Arroyo government felt about Cory. They have been viciously attacking her. This attack thus served two objectives of the regime.

      Feelings about the Arroyo government are irrelevant to HLI’s responsibility for the death of unarmed farmers – the very people Noynoy claims to be standing for – where was he when he was needed most by the poor ? Together with his family’s vested interests – conflict of interest!

      4. This writer also did not bother to check why the Reds are very anti-Noynoy. This is a time when the political equation is almost similar to the 1986 ferment. The last thing the Reds want is another popular president who can restore national unity and initiate reform. Noynoy will make the Reds irrelevant again.

      On the contrary, Cory did not restore national unity – she restored the oligarch’s pre-1970s domination of the economy. Initiating land reform would have been something, but Cory chose to distribute a piece of paper, instead of land. If you want a repeat of the incompetence and continued oligarch domination – by all means choose another Aquino.

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    • reynz says:

      November 13, 2009 at 12:54 am

      WOW!

      ang masasabi ko lang… hmmmmm…..

      parang nabuo ata ang unang iniisip ko sa mga napapansin ko hahaha

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• delta says:

  November 13, 2009 at 2:46 am

  i just wonder din, bakit ba kelangan pang pagtalunan ang hacienda luisita echos na yan.. eh tatakbo naman si noynoy bilang presidente ng bansa hindi bilang presidente ng sm prime holdings.. hehe. although somehow related, pero parang wala nalang talaga silang maisip ibato kay noynoy.. nakakaawa naman,,,

  isa pa dun sa sinabi ni promking, na kung totoo ngang merong sugarland na 6-8 pesos lang, san yon.. bibili ako ng ecta-ectariang lupain!!! nyahaha.. balita nga naman

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  • BongV says:

    November 13, 2009 at 2:48 am

    wonder why? because someone who espouses to be “pro-poor” but did not attend to the cause of the poor in his backyard is a fraud.

    at the moment, people are considering voting a fraud, an oligarch stooge claiming to be pro-poor, into the position of the president – susginoo, di pa rin nadadala.

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    • reynz says:

      November 13, 2009 at 4:47 am

      because someone who espouses to be “pro-poor” but did not attend to the cause of the poor in his backyard is a fraud.

      that’s a lie. even if Hacienda Luisita was not the makings of Noynoy he’s done thinks in there you just won’t acknowledge. The rebuttal was very clear.

      He’s definitely not a fraud. Your charges are just as expected from that of an anti-noynoy.

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      • BongV says:

        November 13, 2009 at 6:08 am

         that’s a lie. even if Hacienda Luisita was not the makings of Noynoy he’s done thinks in there you just won’t acknowledge. The rebuttal was very clear.

        the rebuttal was clear – clearly off-tangent and full of strawmen replies   Let william rebut this:

        That’s a cop-out. HLI is already full of government men. You can’t control the shooting – but you can control the presence, as well as the condition. Removing the presence will mitigate the shooting – did you or did you not remove the presence?
        That is a red herring and is irrelevant to the facts of the case. HLI was responsible and accountable for the shooting. HLI reneged on its agreement to distribute land.Moreover, the Reds are a symptomatic of the bigger systemic defect – an oligarch dominated economy. While the Red bogeyman is being raised, the oligarchs are tightening their noose around the economy. The oblivious masses are being fried in their own lard by the oligarchs.
        The presence of extreme disparity makes ripe picking for class conflict. Address the disparity and you address the Red. Has HLI addressed the disparity? NO, HLI has made it worse.
        Feelings about the Arroyo government are irrelevant to HLI’s responsibility for the death of unarmed farmers – the very people Noynoy claims to be standing for – where was he when he was needed most by the poor ? Together with his family’s vested interests – conflict of interest!
        On the contrary, Cory did not restore national unity – she restored the oligarch’s pre-1970s domination of the economy. Initiating land reform would have been something, but Cory chose to distribute a piece of paper, instead of land. If you want a repeat of the incompetence and continued oligarch domination – by all means choose another Aquino.

         

         

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      • BongV says:

        November 13, 2009 at 6:08 am

        reinz:

        Stating the facts and “charges” are apples and oranges. aminin

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        • reynz says:

          November 13, 2009 at 6:15 am

          pretty much same same from you BongV, nothing new. Your charges are just as expected from that of an anti-noynoy. Remember you only have one goal. To attack. Hahaha!
  • Lani says:

    November 13, 2009 at 11:35 am

    Reynz Re-”pero dun sa point na 6/8 pesos, ano ba yon? maniniwala ka pa ba dun? parang nilagay lang para to push the point nung article na tlagang corruption sya. me tinatawag na fair market value.”

    Correct ka diyan. yung 6/8 pesos malamang zonal value ng BIR or assessed value lang ng assessors office. Ang sinasabi ng batas, ang land owner has the right to just compensation, fair market value ang susundin at hindi ang zonal valuation ng bir or assessement ng munisipyo. Kaya nga sa company namin we hire appraisers. Lalo na duon sa CARPED lots namin kasi binabarat ng gobyerno. Even yang 100 pesos per ha. na yan, ang mura na nyan ah. Gusto ko ding bumili ng ekta ektarya sa ganyang halaga.

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    • reynz says:

      November 13, 2009 at 7:29 pm

      lani! sinabi mo as in haller! hahaha lahat nang mga tiga squatter kayang kaya nilang bilhan nang lupa, solve ang poverty haha

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• Leo says:

  November 13, 2009 at 10:29 am

  i don’t wan’t to say this pero hindi ko mapigilan e:

  sulit na sulit talaga ang binayabad sa mga anti-noynoy ah!
  sige pa, sige pa, dagdagan nyo pa.. the more you dig deeper, the more dirt will bury you. parang ganito

  hehehe!

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  • reynz says:

    November 13, 2009 at 7:30 pm

    nagsimula siguro ang hiring lasyir hahaha

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