St. Jude Thaddaeus, Patron of desperate cases and urgent needs
High school palang talagang ako ay talagang deboto na ko ni St. Jude. St. Jude Thaddaeus is the patron saint of desperate needs and lost causes pero kahit hindi man ganun ka-desperate ang mga hinaing ko sa buhay, nakagawian ko nang magsimba at mag-novena sa St. Jude Church sa Mendiola. Walang patid ‘yon, basta nakapag-simula akong mag-novena, umulan man o umaraw, magsarado man ang mga daanan sa Mendiola dahil sa walang puknat na mga rally e pupunta at pupunta parin ako sa simbahan nya para tapusin ang nasimulan kong pagno-novena.
St. Jude devotees in Mendiola
Isa sa mga pinaka-malaking bagay na maipagpapasalamat ko sa pagno-novena ko kay St. Jude ay yung makapag-tapos ako ng pag-aaral at pag-pasa ko sa Board Exams. Pero kung ‘yon nga ay mga “desperate cases” na nairaos ko dahil sa pagdadasal ko ng novena kay St. Jude ay kayo nalang ang mag-husga.
Kasalukuyan ako ngayong namamata kay St. Jude at isang araw, sa misa at novena na dinaluhan ko ay nagkwento ang kura paroko tungkol sa isang himala na kagaganap lang ilang linggo lang ang nakakalipas. Ganito ang istorya:
Isang araw, may isang babaeng lumapit kay Father para magpa-bendisyon ng maliit na imahe ni St. Jude na nabili ng naturang babae sa labas ng simbahan. Hindi alam ni Father kung para saan ang nasabing ipinapa-bendisyunang imahe ngunit dahil nga sya naman daw ay isang kura paroko, tungkulin nya na pagbigyan ang mga ganoong kahilingan ng mga deboto kaya pinagpasyahan na nyang bindisyunan nga ang naturang imahe. Makalipas ang isa (o dalawang) linggo, muling lumapit sa kanya ang naturang babae at iniimbitahan syang mamuno sa isang misa bilang pagpapasalamat sa biyayang natanggap ng naturan ngang babae. Tinanong ni Father kung para saan ang misang gaganapin subalit sinabi nalang ng naturang babae na sa misa nya ikukwento kay Father ang himalang kanilang nais ipagpasalamat.
Sa misa, isinalaysay ng babae ang himalang kanilang natanggap dahil sa paniniwala at pagdedebosyon nila kay St. Jude, ganito daw ang istorya:
Ilang linggo daw bago ang naturang pagpapabendisyon, may isang lalaking OFW sa China ang naaksidente. Matindi ang pinsalang natamo ng naturang OFW at ang sabi ng mga doktor ay wala na itong pag-asang mabuhay o kung mabuhay man ay mananatili na lamang ng paralisado. Ang naturang babae ay isang kaibigan o kamag-anak ng asawa ng naturang OFW at ang imahen na kanyang pinabendisyunan kay Father ay kanyang ipinadala sa China kung saan nakaratay sa isang ospital ang agaw-buhay na OFW.
Nang makarating ang imahe ni St. Jude sa ospital, mahigpit na ipinagbawal ng mga doktor at nars ang pagpapasok ng nasabing imahe sa loob ng ospital dahil maaari lamang itong maging sanhi ng impeksyon na maaari pang ika-lala ng sitwasyon ng agaw-buhay na pasyente. Maka-ilang ulit na nagtangka ang asawa ng OFW subalit lagi itong nahuhuli ng mga nurs at ito ay itinatapon papalabas ng silid ng ospital. Naroong itago ng asawa ng OFW angimahe sa ilalim ng lamesa habang papasok ng silid subalit lagi lang itong nahuhuli ng mga nars at doktor. Kataka-taka naman na hindi nasisira ang imahe sa kabila ng pagtapon dito ng mga nars papalabas.
Hanggang isang araw ay matagumpay na naipasok ng asawa ng OFW ang imahe at naikubli sa likod ng mga aparato ng ospital. Nilagyan pa raw ito ng mga packing tape para lamang hindi mahulog sa kinalalagyan. Nang mga panahong ‘yon ay kasagsagan ng init sa China subalit nang makapagsimula nang magdasal ang asawa ng OFW kay St. Jude ay kataka-taka daw na biglang humangin ng malakas sa silid ng ospital. Labis itong ipinaktaka ng mga nasa silid ng ospital, maging ng mga nars at doktor, sapagkat imposibleng humangin ng malamig na malamig sa loob ng ospital gayong kasagsagan nga ng init sa naturang lugar. Kasabay ng pag-ihip ng malamig at malakasna hangin ay biglang nag-normalize ang pulso ng naturang agaw-buhay na OFW at ito ay himalang gumaling sa kanyang pagkakaratay.
Nagtaka ang lahat ng nakasaksi sa pangyayari kaya maging ang mga nars at doktor sa China ay nagsimulang maniwala sa himalang hatid ng imahe ni St. Jude.
Hindi nakagawian ni Father ang pagkukwento tungkol sa mga milagro at himala dahil sa kanyang paniniwala, ang mga bagay na ito ay kanyang itinuturing na personal na karanasan at walang dalawa o higit pang himala ang nagkakapareho.
“Miracles are unique incidents and no two or more miracles are alike,”
sabi ni Father sa kanyang sermon.
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ang masasabi kong nakapagpagaling dun sa tao e yung sobrang “faith”
Has anybody heard about placebo effect? Oh, faith pala ang tawag. (sarcasm? hell ya!)
i agree, iba ang nagagawa ng taos pusong pananampalataya!
@lee,
and i believe that if you have “faith” in yourself that you can do it, things fall into places and before you knew it, you can actually do it!
kinikilabutan ako habang pinapanood ko ito, imagine nga naman, paano ka ililigtas ng mga pulis sa mga masasamang elemento kung sila mismo ang mga elemento. thats why i dont trust them either.
@mars, naligaw ka yata hihihi hanap naman tuloy ako ng video kala ko wala lang ako makita video dito kasi ban ako sa youtube, tagay ka muna pre.
hahahahahaha
@lee nalito lang siguro si mars kasi halos magkakadikit yung mga posts. Kumbaga dun dapat sya kay allah sa aljazeera pupunta pero dinala sya kay St. Jude haha
kagabi ko pa ata nakita ‘yan. di ko nalang pinansin. kayo naman oo, e sa tingin ko nga spam lang yan e. nagkataon lang may tagalog words kaya napalusot natin. wahaha
seriously, than an auto-generated spam comment.
@mars,
naligaw ka nga, andun sa kabilang kwarto ang betamaks haha
Why would God give some people what they pray for and not others?
When something good happens to you and you proclaim to others how “blessed” you are and how God is “so good” to you, what is the basis of your presumption that God would be so “good” as to bless you, yet allow millions of others to live lives of wretchedness through bloody wars and crushing famines?
What makes those of us who feel “blessed” so special in the eyes of God and millions of others left to their wretchedness so un-blessed?
Because it’s really very simple.
Benigno have you seen the movie “Bruce Almighty?” if yes, then watch it again. The film will answer your question.
To answer your question is like walking in a quicksand… sinking and sinking into the bottomless pit. Waste of time really. My 5 year old nephew can answer your question in all simplicity and clarity. Its such a shame that we grow old without any wisdom of some sort.
And its such an irony that we tend to believe in someone who postulated that apes and humans are of the same chain while the greatest power of all who created that very same ape and man tends to be set aside as something sort of a figment of one’s imagination.
Clearly, Hubris in all spheres of human folly and stupidity!
Bluep, ako naman, it was Evan Almighty that I liked better. Kase sa Bruce Almighty, he just provoked God thinking he could handle His powers. Pero sa Evan, he chose to follow orders kahit alam nyang alangan nga yung mga orders sa mga commoners na katulad nya pero in the end, he realized that what God was asking him to do is for the best of all. He realized so many things and his sacrifices gave fruits that he’ll enjoy forever.
I believe, benigno will comment something against this response from me pero tayo nalang nagkaka-intindihan kung anong tinutukoy ko. I also believe that he also know what I’m talking about but I bet he’ll negate it just for the sake of having an argument.
Sabi ni Andrew Matthews (author or best seller books Being Happy and Making Friends), “Don’t get in fights with pigs, you get all dirty and they enjoy it.”
benignO,
I think you are underestimating and trying to explain God in our human effort and understanding. If we do this, then we are humanizing God and not putting Him in His place, as God.
God, Who has His own plans and His own Will: for an individual and for groups of people–even millions of people.
If we assume that these “millions” of people are not blessed, it is a wrong a assumption, because we have not talked, witnessed, seen, gathered every data possible with these millions.
With regards to the famines and wars, do you remember the plagues in Egypt? The whole population was in chaos as to make sense of all these plagues that were happening to them.
BUT, here’s the big BUT, do you also remember that there were millions spared within the nation of Egypt? They are the Israelite slaves. My point is, why explain what God does and what God doesn’t? He has His will and to say that He should all be love would not prove Him to be the God of justice also. Because for His love to work, He should exercise disciplinary actions too.
Why were the Israelites spared? Because they had faith in God, simple as that. So, it all boils down to what your faith tells you about who God is in your life. In addition, let me ask you, why are you not in the middle of famine, of wars and of pestilence, or violent persecution? Does this make you stop and think that maybe God is taking care of you and want you to look to Him while there is still calm?
What if, just a speculation, you are in a desperate situation, would it not summon all your inner faith and cry for comfort to God?
So, it only means, that He has put each person in his own circumstance, in his own place in this life, because He wants you to look at Him and say that He is still good.
There will be a time when death beckons each of us. It is an appointment that only God knows and man needs preparation for it. Have you done all you could to prepare for it? Have you a faith in God who is both loving and generous. He is generous with His time that He has not taken us from this earth. Can we be trusted enough to make this life worthwhile for Him?
Ask the persecuted Christians, beaten daily, nails pried to the skins and near death in the prison camps in China, do they not cry Jesus everytime they feel that life is leaving their human body and near eternity.
i was just thinking, BenignO, thanks for commenting and replying to comments, gives us something to think about and add life to the conversation. If all heads bob the same way then we are all bobble heads hehehe.
Benigno, alam mo nung bata ako nag-novena ako na sana makalipad ako tulad ni Peter Pan. Imagine what could have I done or who I am now had God granted me that prayer.
You don’t have to question our beliefs naman dahil hindi ka rin naman namin pinapakialaman kung bakit wala kang pinapaniwalaan.
Pero mas mahirap nga naman i-explain yung paniniwala mo dahil naniniwala kang wala kang pinaniniwalaan. Nyahaha
You are not alone. I also prayed noong bata ba ako na maging si Phantomanok ako ung sa Liwayway magazine ba yon?
Swak Kaka ang sagot mo. Thats exactly what the gist of the movie bruce almighty is conveying.
Because they did not pray so hard? Sabi, pa ni Pedro. Hey, Lord bat ikaw nakalakad sa tubig ako hindi. lumubog po ako.
Dahil kulang ang iyong pananampalataya.
Nag drama na kaagad ung anak ng God na pinangalanan nilang HESUS… “liso ng mustasa lang kaliit ang kailangan sa FAITH, YOU CAN MOVE MOUNTAIN NA!”
Just put God at the end para naman ma reiforce ung RELIHIYON nila. Sayang din ang abuloy.
Darbs,akala ko, pangarap mo, maging Brando Bandido (Zorro in GMA) ng Radyo DYHP hahaha…
well, when i was reviewing for my cpa board nung panahon ni limahong hahaha, i don’t remember now kung napadpad ako dyan (maybe not because i’m not familiar dun sa pic) but i know, nakapasok ako sa st raphael’s church.
i guess we all pray for all the good things to happen to us and we all believe naman and i think – think! hahaha that the good things that happen eh we associate it with the prayers that we did – don’t count me on this dahil there are things na i could not explain, i don’t have super natural powers.
the story is moving, although di naten alam kung this is true at tunay na nangyari.
pagdating sa mga stuff like this na medyo involve si LORD di ako masyado nagtatanong hehehe
lito nga ako when they canonize a saint and how they prove miracles – pano nga ba yon blue?
Why the need to “prove” miracles nga ba? For that matter, why the obssession with “miracles”?
Didn’t Jesus say: “blessed are those who have not seen and still believe”?
Precisely. The power of religion comes from a lack of inclination from its believers to question or challenge its dogma.
Ironic, considering that we associate godliness with our democratic ideals. Yet while democracy is premised on the notion that every citizen has the right to speak out and challenge the rulings of government, religion seems to be the anti-thesis of this very notion.
Sometimes a bit of thinking reveals some very interesting inconsistencies at the very cores of our cherished belief systems.
Why would anyone question something he believes in — re: dogma? Common sense.
Ikaw benigno, why are you not questioning your ethics on the blogosphere and even your anonymity, and sometimes your rudeness to other people? precisely because you believe only in yourself! Common sense!
If someone question his belief system therefore he is not a believer. No point of argumentation!
Sometimes kasi, thought provoking questions are not asked to seek answers but to stir controversy and intrigues, worst to seek attention. Sa Psychiatry, Adult ADD yan!
Tanong ka ng tanong pag sinagot ka naman irerefute mo tapos may sarili ka sagot! what gives? waste of time answering your questions where in fact you already know the answer.
For a believer, no explanation is necessary. For a skeptic, no explanation will suffice. Kahit lecturan kita ng theology buong magdamag di ka rin naman maniniwala. So why answer your question? its futile and an intellectual insult to those who have faith!
“Ikaw benigno, why are you not questioning your ethics on the blogosphere and even your anonymity, and sometimes your rudeness to other people? precisely because you believe only in yourself! Common sense!”
Simple lang yan Bloop: GET REAL.
it’s good to have questions. in our questions we reveal the secrets of our hearts. I hope that we eventually find the answers. Then we’ll be changed.
@Mahalia – not all questions are worth answering and not all questions are meant to change the heart. some questions are asked just for the sake of an argument. If we will all answer stupid question, its like admitting that we dont have any intellect at all to even discern if we are being tested of our own intelligence. That I think is the ultimate insult.
In the case of Benigno, his question is preposterous. If you know Benigno in the history of Pinoy Blogosphere, you will understand where Im coming from. He is a well known nuissance. he hops from blog to blog not to seek conversion nor be enlightend, he seek chaos and division and mayhem. No wonder MLQ3 blocked him on his blog. Even on FV he is being disowned. This is not a question coming from a man seeking enlightenment. This is a question from a man who wants to discredit the idea of God and faith. Therefore the question of conversion is unrealistic and improbable. from hence, how can a man be enlightened if he already formed inside him the answers to the very inquiry that he should sought to be answered? Man is converted through a genuine seeking of answer which he doesnt know. And not ask questions which he already knows the answer and later discredit others for their own takes.
I agree with you Bluep. Mahirap patinginin ang may stiff neck.
Unfortunately, there are people who have the habit of complicating things like a hairball while actually, its really simple.
Kailangang kailangan ang milagro… the more milagros the more abuloys!
IN ABSOLUTE TERMS? Not “precisely” yan benigno.
There are so many lurkers in Barrio Siete – does that mean that they don’t have any inclination to “LIKE” Barrio Siete?!
NOT.
Common sense?
What if in the 15th Century, nobody questioned the prevailing dogma of the time that the sun revolved around the Earth?
Why are you suddenly feeling “insulted”, dude? What specifically about what I wrote do you find “insulting”?
Trouble with people sometimes is that they quickly take offense instead of first stopping to think about what it is exactly they are being told.
I assume you are talking about Galileo’s take. Galileo’s “theory at that time” was not a DOGMA of FAITH. You have to be very specific. It was a scientific theory and common belief regarding the planet but in no way it was a dogma of faith. Thats why you cant use the argument of Galileo in faith. Just because some clergy and papal envoys were involved in Galileo’s house arrest doesnt mean that its already a matter of faith. Its in the medieval times. Church and politics always get mixed up.
I never said I was. I said its an insult to those who have faith simply because you are asking a question that you already know the answer. You came in here not to ask Benigno, but to just provoke an argument. Everybody knows that. And to even answer your simple question is like talking to a deaf mute. C’mon, we all know where this is headed. Argumentation at its finest. This is not FV Benigno, this is Barrio Siete. Your style of complicating things will not work here because people here have no time to rationalize and intelllectualize what has already been answered and taught from Kindergarten to High School.
Hmmm it seem you were the one who was insulted by my reply…. DUDE!
Guess again, dude. The Earth-centric theory had no science behind it. The Catholic Church of the time considered it a heresy to think otherwise, and Galileo and Copernicus almost got into some real deep sh1t using the beginnings of the scientific method to explore alternative views to the one held by the Church.
And yes this is Barrio Siete and not FV. But I don’t see any policy here banning “argumentation at its finest”. If you feel you are some kind of argumentation police here, well maybe you will first have to consult the “barrio council” or whatever it is RE calls it.
Then again, to say that argument does not belong here is kind of like insulting the intelligence of the people who hang around here, don’t you think?
See benigno. The more I reply the more you inject your own opinion. This is endless. You are already deviating from the topic. This will just go on and on.
Galileo was an astronomer, therefore his theories, regardless of its existence during those times is still on the parlance of astronomy. And astronomy, as we know it, whether they consider it as a science or not during those times is still a science! Ano ngayon point mo? na yung theory nya ay dogma pa rin? seriously, go find a theologian and please dont dwell on religion, obviously you do not know what you are talking about. Stick to politics, mas magaling ka mambola dun!
wow you flatter me. Actually I am. this is actually my function here in BS. I have the power to block you. but not that I would since i will just deprive the readers of the pleasure in reading your preposterous and ridiculous question.
are you talking about yourself Benigno? Last time I saw you were the only one here who is falling short of intelligence. Need i remind you of that ridiculous question you obsessively ram on our throats?
ewan ko sayo DUDE. You seriously need a friend to talk to. There are doctors for these kind of things
–what exactly they are being told–
i think you mean what exactly is the message of the commenter. Kasi parang told is condescending. Diba told and scold parang rhyme sila?
@Benign0, then INFALLIBLE NGA SI SANTO PAPA at ang SIMBAHANG KATOLIKO lang ang sikat ABULOY sana ay sa kanila lang/ aww… SA AMIN LANG PALA.
Para na sana kaming si Imelda at sabihing, WE OWNED ALMOST EVERYTHING IN THIS WORLD. Buti nga Vatican City lang ung nakuha namin hindi namin inangkin pati lupain mo para lagyan ng kapilya. (sarcasm? oh ya!)
Gotta work peeps. Will respond na lang later!
The truth is dude: It’s simple, really™.
The key question to ask yourself is quite simple but unfortunately quite confronting and therefore a question most people prefer not to ask themselves:
Why do you believe?
If the best answer you can come up with to the above question is Basta I do, well, that’s not really answering the question now, is it?
Have you asked yourself WHY DO YOU BELIEVE?
Why do i believe? Sample. If I did not believe in Santa Clause, then my parents will not give me gifts every Christmas. I need to believe no matter what.
Another example. I asked my 12-year old son,Why he believes in TOOTH FAIRY?
Answer: My mom will not give me $20 dollars every time I put my tooth under my pillow.
Why they continue to believe?
What you’ve gonna do to all the CHURCH WORKERS?
Where you gonna put all their believers?
Do you have a place to put them every Sunday?
Is your alternative better than believing in one God?
It has to be complicated para naman sabihing may katuturan ung mga credentials ng DOCTORS OF DIVINITIES.
If so simple, baka namang mainsulto ninyo ung mga GENUISES na Doctors of the doctors of the DIVINITIES.
Hey, kung simple lang baka magtataka kayo kung bakit 10 years ung priesthood na yan.
If simple then, there is no more MYSTERY OF OUR FAITH.
Syempre naman. Ikaw? Would you be satisfied if you were given a wishy-washy half-arsed reply to your question? Of course you’d come up with a follow-up question in order to seek further clarification.
That’s the ultimate test of whether the person you are exchanging ideas with knows what he/she is talking about.
If they shrink away from answering follow-up questions or responding to refutations, well that says something about that person, doesn’t it?
Read your comment above Benigno, its not a follow up question, its an injection of your own take. now where is the seeking clarification in that?
Who are you exchanging ideas with? No one. Remember your first comment was in the interrogative form. So how can you say that you are testing someone’s ideas well in fact your first comment is not referred to anyone and you are asking in general terms. Ikaw yata ang malabo pare eh.
Hello Desiderata!
…listen to others, even to the dull and the ignorant, they too have their story.
KK,
Deboto ka pala ni St. Jude. Parehas kayo ng nanay ko.
Ako naman e deboto ng Itim na Nazareno at San Miguel Arkanghel.
Nakakarefresh ang magsimba. Sundays are my time to meditate and recharge.
Silver, si misis e deboto naman ni St. Anthony. Sabi pa ni misis, ang patron saint ko e si St. Ignatius of Loyola kaso lang I don’t have any idea about his life and works and I don’t have personal connections with him kaya hindi parin nya ako deboto.
Pero sabi nga ni Bluep sa isang pag-usap namin, every saints have their own “specialty,” I forgot the actual term he used. Kumbaga si St. Jude, ang “special powers” nya tends towards hopeless cases pero kahit hindi naman ganun ka-hopeless ang mga pinagdadasal ko e sa kanya parin ako lumalapit kase “feeling close” ako sa kanya. Pero sabi parin nga ni Bluep, although we pray to our patron saints, dapat hindi namin kakalimutan yung mga “bossing” ng mga saints. Kumbaga, they’re merely saints at hindi sila Gods.
May point ka dyan KK. Importante pa rin kausapin ang CEO ng mga santo. If you can establish a connection to him, the better di ba?
Ako naman e pinanganak sa araw ni San Miguel. Kaya naging patron slash deboto nya ako. For special security and emergency reasons yan siya.
Ang alam ko kay St. Ignatius of Loyola e founder siya ng Society of Jesus (yung mga Jesuits)
yun na nga Silver e, masyadong nosebleed ang forte ni St. Ignatius kaya di ako maka-relate. Para sa akin kase, saints are like our ka-buddy, ka-tag team, ka-partner, kaya importante na meron tayong “personal connect” sa kanila para mag-jive and tandem. hahaha, masyadong low-class ang mga sagot ko baka lalo lang ma-provoke si benigno.
Nyahaha KK.
Tara’t magsungka tayo sa kubo ni Lee. Hahha…
Hello my deary Dare To Speak Out,
Mother of Perpetual Help naman ang sa atin este akin pala.
MOTHER OF PERPETUAL HELP,SHE is the Reyna Elena este the Reyna of All Ka Reynahan!
Really now?
So tell us then. What is it exactly about my questions that you consider to be “silly”?
Cite specific examples plez.
Okay you want to be specific? okay i will play your game Benigno:
this is an off tangent question. Why? For a person who is well educated, you already know the answer. Kahit pa atheist ka o muslim masasagot mo to.
Its like asking the Question:
“Bakit yung iba nananlo sa Lotto, ako hindi”
ika nga ni alicia silverstone, DUH!
remember that was your very first comment. You were not exchanging ideas with anyone. Therefore your claim on your comment above is void. You can only clarify if you have someone to talk with. In your case wala ka naman prior na kausap para itanong yan question na yan for CLARIFICATION. so the point na sinasabi mo na you are seeking clarification is an absolute bull.
Benigno, let us accept that you came here not to seek clarification but to provoke an argument which obviously we are giving to you right now. But sorry, I wont answer your question. Maybe somebody here who is foolish enough to thank you for stirring their brains by your question can answer it for you. But not me.
You are not engaging in an intellectual argument in strictest sense of the word. Go figure. Even that cannot be found in the bible.
You said it yourself above in your comment, You are just “testing” if we really know what we are talking about. Pero sorry pare, I dont give a rats ass on what you think about us especially me. kasi, hindi ka naman si Einstein. And why the heck would I let you test me, PRC ka ba? LOL
God bless and enjoy ramming the throats of those who will fall on your stupid question.
Reminder Plagiarized from Wikipedia using the power of copy and pasted.
The Noble Eightfold Path
Main article: Noble Eightfold Path
* Prajñā is the wisdom that purifies the mind, allowing it to attain spiritual insight into the true nature of all things. It includes:
1. dṛṣṭi (ditthi): viewing reality as it is, not just as it appears to be.
2. saṃkalpa (sankappa): intention of renunciation, freedom and harmlessness.
* Śīla is the ethics or morality, or abstention from unwholesome deeds. It includes:
3. vāc (vāca): speaking in a truthful and non hurtful way
4. karman (kammanta): acting in a non harmful way
5. ājīvana (ājīva): a non harmful livelihood[47]
* Samādhi is the mental discipline required to develop mastery over one’s own mind. This is done through the practice of various contemplative and meditative practices, and includes:
6. vyāyāma (vāyāma): making an effort to improve
7. smṛti (sati): awareness to see things for what they are with clear consciousness, being aware of the present reality within oneself, without any craving or aversion
8. samādhi (samādhi): correct meditation or concentration,[50] explained as the first 4 dhyānas
The practice of the Eightfold Path is understood in two ways, as requiring either simultaneous development (all eight items practiced in parallel), or as a progressive series of stages through which the practitioner moves, the culmination of one leading to the beginning of another.
In the early sources (the four main Nikayas) the Eightfold Path is not generally taught to laypeople, and it is little known in the Far East.
Bizarre. For somebody you consider to be a “waste of time” you seem to be devoting quite a lot of your bandwidth to humouring moi.
Ano ba talaga?
I dont want to waste time answering your question. thats about it. Pati ba naman yun di mo makuha?
And dont flatter yourself because if ever im wasting my bandwidth on you, it not because you are that important, but because of my function here in BS, like what you guessed shrewdly, an argumentation police. I lock up those whose arguments are as ridiculous as their anonimity.
You should thank me instead, because unlike MLQ3’s blog, we here at BS dont block nuissance, even if they are from Pavillion 4 in Mandaluyong.
Well let me see… Isn’t making “plans” and having a “will” among others kind of a description of God in human terms as well?
For that matter, why would a God who is so “infinitely powerful” be too fussed about a bunch of beings that are finite and therefore of zero value (remember that any quantity divided by infinity returns a zero). Isn’t being “fussed” about stuff a human quality too?
If God is so mysterious, then why are we so sure that he loves us? Isn’t that being a bit presumptious of an infinitely powerful being? For that matter, isn’t describing God as a “loving” being also reducing him to human terms?
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Good point. Here’s my reply:
1. plans and will among others is a characteristic of our Maker. God has plans and a Will. His Will for your life is to understand that He is. Just like when someone asked Him who are you: “I am that I am”. But that’s just it, is a characteristic. If I say that my son sleeps like his dad, would that make him his Dad?
2. He is fussed about people, because He created people. Example, why do you update your blog? Do you consider it zero. Because as to your equation, blogging is really nothing compared to a hundred years or eternity. You write on it because it is your creation. The tinge of creative power in us multiplied to Almighty is unfathomable. That’s why He fusses over you and me.
3. If you read His Words, He is not mysterious. The Bible is the ultimate authority of who God is. The question is, if you do not believe the Bible as His Word, then what can you believe? Fancy sounding theorem and equations made by man is just that man-made and finite. Man who cannot see beyond the finite world.
4. God said He is Love. Why would I question Him on that? If I do then it is not Him that I question but my faith. Faith is the invisible factor inside of me that knows that there is a God, although unseen. It is a witness inside of me that I acquired by believing that God sent His Son to die for my sins. You see, it all started when man rebelled against God in the Garden of Eden. There in the Garden, at the point of rebellion, God needed to show man that although He is loving, His Holiness also requires no sin. He has destined for man to die, man’s spirit and man’s body. We are all dead, in our spirit. Throughout biblical history, God had shown that He still wants a relationship with man. He sent His Son to buy out our sins. Example if you were in dire need of money and pawned your Rolex. And there is no way you could buy it back. Here comes your dad who bought it back for you, when He gives it to you, would you accept it? In a larger scale, when Christ died and bought back our favor with God, would you accept it? Christ did not buy us back from the devil and from sin just by doing good works, He bought us back with the most precious cost–His own blood. Why He bought us from sin? Because He loves you.
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[a] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16
Wonderful reading.
By the way, discussion pa lang yan mga kapatid tungkol sa EXISTENCE NI GOD, god, gOD, GoD, YAHWEH, and the God of HIstory at Miracles sa mga Santos at mga Santitas.
We did not discuss here about WHO THE HELL IS THE TRUE RELIGION on Earth as it is in FOR HEAVEN SAKE! SUCH AS… Buddism, Islamism, Judaism, Christianism, Zoroarastianism, Atheism, Agnostism, Akomism and all the Religionism in the Worldism.
In this discussion we did not include the BEST RELIGION EVER AND EVER, EVELASTING FLOWER and who will BE SAVED in the Philipine Religion/Sects with CHRISTIAN FLAVORS such as Iglesya ni Kristo, KATOLIKO, PRAISE THE LORD, Philippine Independent Filipinista na pinatay ang kanilang Santo papa na SUPREMO ANG TAWAN SA KANYA (Supreme Bishop Alberto Ramento), Baptist, Methodist, UCCP, Rizalista, Singgingan, Born Again Christians, Born Against Christians. AT MARAMI PANG IBA.
We did not include here the SATANISTA 666 NA RELIGION.
We did not even include Ang Religion na corruption at ang malnutrisyon.
Oh, I forgot to mention ang Sabadista AT MGA SODOMISTA.
Wow – ang ginaw sa labas.
Let me just put my two cents in, if I may.
To believe in something without question is what I call faith. Yung paniniwala natin, nagiging bunga ng turo ng iba at ng experience natin.
When I was a child, I could easily say I believe in God. Dahil yun ang turo sa ‘kin and I took it then that it was real and doesn’t need to be questioned. As I grew older, I started asking questions.
Diyan pumasok ang experience. Has anyone here experienced a time in their lives that you seemed to be at the end of your rope? Yun bang, wala ka ng magagawa kahit ano pang powers ang gamitin mo within the human capacity? I have. And when that moment came, the only thing I can do is pray. Pray with the belief someone will listen. VOILA – - Someone did. That was my confirmation.
To question something is not a bad thing but it all depends on the motive. Stirring someone’s mind to make them review their own belief is not a bad thing either… as long as the motive is sincere and not demeaning.
I can say that I have faith in God because I have seen God at work. In my life, in the lives of others. If you’re going to ask me if I believe in God. I could honestly look you in the eye and say, “YES”.
Exactly!
Do you know what faith could do? If there was no FAITH in God. There is NO VATICAN CITY! There is no CHRISTIANITY! There is no Religion.
Sounds like Das Wesen des Christentums by Ludwig Feurbach.
@Darbs, pramis di plagiarice yan…
Correct spelling and complete name of the German philosopher is Ludwig Andreas von Feuerbach
Yes sir, Mr. blue (with accompanying salute).
That indeed is a very “important” function. The “Argumentation Police”.
So presumably the level of ridiculousness is some sort of “criteria”, right? May I know then how exactly you judge “ridiculousness”?
By the way, is anonymity grounds for banning or limiting of partcipation here? If not, then I suggest you quit harping on it (or come up with a written ruling about it), sir.
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Thank you Mr. Argumentation Police, sir.
For me yes, because I take everything seriously. Not that I hope that you will understand because I doubt it if you even have taken something in your blog life worth to be considered ethically serious.
The standards is for my own. I dont share them with anonymous creatures. Its a secret protocol standard here in BS. And besides, one doesnt need standards to be enumerated for him, nor any criteria to be drafted for him in order to survive in Barrio Siete. Only 5 year old kids need a step by step instruction. All you need to have is Blog Ethics, Good Manners and right conduct. And besides, I wont dare write it for you. I am not a darn secretary of yours.
Obviously you are still pretending that you are dumb and clueless in what you are bringing here. Again go buy a clue and stop being so naive. It is clear as the sun what I am trying to imply about your presence here and what you are trying to do here. So please, dont play stupid. Don’t reiterate to the readers what is already so obvious.
Yes worship me Benigno because this is my turf. You either bow to my whims or I’ll cast you out with the thunder and lightning of my Holy wrath.
If people here says that they worship and believe in frogs, then let them be. Do not question their belief. Barrio Siete is not a venue for argumentation. FV is. Barrio is simply a channel where everyone has the right to express their own belief, roots, success and experience and not subject them to further scrutiny. Barrio siete is simply a blog for exchanging experiences and not to refute ideas and belief system.
People here don’t need to intellectualize everything animate and inanimate because people here are already intelligent. They don’t need to show them off by pointing out such preposterous and stupid arguments. People here doesn’t need to remind themselves that they are intelligent and smart because WHAT YOU SEE AND READ IS NOT WHAT YOU ALWAYS GET.
If you don’t agree with the topic, then leave it in peace. you still have some other topics to choose from. But If you don’t agree on all of the topics here, then by all means leave us all in peace. The last thing we want is someone who triggers endless and empty debates.
So worship me Benigno whenever you are here. Since you dont believe in my God, therefore I am forcing you to believe in Me, because if you dont believe that he can smite you with the breathe of his nostrils, well then, believe that I can block you with the flick of my finger. Do not do harm and and spread chaos on our Barrio Siete people Benigno because the wrath of the TANOD which you obviously underestimate is a force to be reckoned with.
As the Lord wiped-out the stubborn soldiers of the pharaoh in the red sea, so will I shatter the presence of the nuisance here at BS.
Take it or Leave. Despise me or worship me. Disrespect the Barrio Folks or respect them. Its your choice not mine.
and yes, my seemingly overrated status quo here in BS is deliberately augmented and exaggerated just for you and your kind.
Tremble in fear benigno, for your god is here!
6:00pm New Orleans time, kadarating lang nang reyna galing sa faktori: let me update myself nang mga labo-labo here before commenting at mukhang umuusok here! hahaha
@benigno:
No question, you don’t have to travel to Israel or Iraq, just book a flight to Mindanao or walk in the slums of Manila, it’s quite a ridiculous sight of suffering and evils in Basilan and we get to be affected by all these psychologically and emotionally. That’s why I see you point and you do have a valid question as far as I am concerned: it is indeed very difficult to reconcile the ugly reality with the all powerful, loving and good God.
I’m no priest but the little Theology I had at Aquinas tells me that at least, yes, for me God exists and to me He is powerful but I do believe that yes, benigno, este, I mean evil exists not because God is bad but because He allows evil to exist.
i have no idea why the comments ended this way, then again this is benigno and this is the little i know about his credentials.
to readers here, benigno is a writer sa kaVilang Varrio. and if i remember it correctly, it was benigno who challenges his readers to be on his level of intellect.
the premise?
he is all-knowing above and beyond with such uber-intellect that only he could understand.
benigno is the writer who called us dimwits and insults his readers sa kaVilang Varrio and i think the last time i check he is having this nasty fight with a homophobic blogger whose audience is about 8.4 million readers per day.
so, i guess this you all need to learn as his credentials in order to understand his manner of commenting because if you don’t, then you don’t get his emperor’s dress.
that’s why credentials are important.
Opps… wala pa naman ako nyan. nakakahiya pala ung comments ko pero don’t worry MAKAPAL po ang aking muks. dahil nga, dare to speak out ang principle ko. pang isanlibo syam na raan anim naput pito na ang words na yan. bwahahaha!
“credentials”
that’s not intended for you Darbs, special yan ki Benigno – me history ang Reyna sa mga tiga kaVilang Varrio hehehe mahabang story
@Reynz, I know. Sa sobran kaususero ko nabasa ko na rin pala ung “credentials” na yan doon sa reynaelena.com at doon din sa FV. hehehe.
Just in case lang naman yang sa kin kung hanapan din nila ako ng credentials. hehehe.
Thanks for pointing it out reynz. Mas clear kasi mas beautiful.
Haha, napahaba ang mga mental and character scuffle dito. Ito lang masasabi ko – “be wise as serpents, be harmless as doves, because sometimes, you are sent as sheep in the midst of wolves.”
Did I?
Cite specific examples where I did plez.
Go back to your Varrio. It’s right there.
Where exactly?
you’re a lost soul! hahaha! run out of gas with the homophobic blogger that’s why you’re here? or you just miss me because i puke at your Varrio? hehehe
Baka naman sa purgatoryo galing ang isang yan…
shocking! may amnesia sya reynz!
Hahaha, simple lang talaga happyness ko. Naaaliw lang ako sa gravatar nyong dalawa – yung isa parang pagbabalik ng isang prodigal son, ang isa naman, parang sinasabi – “sabi ko sa yo, babalik ka rin at ma-miss mo ako,” sabay bwahahaha.
Not really. Just bored.
But then if I am not welcome here, just say so and I’ll leave.
We’re all here to be ourselves aren’t we? Coz I’m not really comfortable becoming something I am not simply to feel welcome.
@benigno…
Wag ka nang mag-feeling! Hahaha! Deficit ang Barrio to hire goons to stop and block anyone sa Barrio Streets hahaha!
ha ha. Ikaw naman. I don’t doubt for a minute that this is your “turf”. It’s good to actually see someone all comfy within their comfort zone.
Kaya nga I am seeking some clarification from you e, you being the “Argumentation Police” here. But then how exactly do you expect commenters here to comply with rules that are kept “secret”?
At least this much I know:
So let me get this straight, boss. Are you therefore saying that only comments that agree with the topic being commented on are welcome?
Just seeking some clarification Mr. Argumentation Policeman. Sir.
Down with literalism. More power – mythological,symbolic thinking. It’s less boring hahaha…
hahaha! daw ara lang ko sa seminaryo sini ba.
San Hudas, ipanalangin mo ang aming mga utak…
Pag puro gani mga bright mag upod tapos guid!
@Difish – Hahah exactly. Like what I said, debating and arguing with benigno is like wrestling in mud with the porcupine hahaha. Bawat sabihin mo itwitwist nyan. Ililiteral haha ibabato sayo. walang katapusan. kaya nga sabi ko mga tao dito matatalino kasi di mo na kailangan iexplain further ang ibig sabihin ng ibig mo sabihin kasi kuha na nila. Eh pag kay benigno ka makikipagtalo at mageexplian mismo manual ng yoyo kailangan 100 pages hahaha.
Benigno you are always welcome here. we will not ban you unless we deem you are going overboard. but dont expect that some of us will take your bait. Ikaw lang naman kasi sa paniniwala mo ang Omnipotent, Omniscient and Omnipresent ulol-mighty being haha With your reply, no wonder Sisa screw her head hahaha
@Darbs – Amen! Please let me also have a St. Jude Novena for hopeless and desperate cases hahahaha this one has really no cure. We really need a miracle haha
@bluep bwahahaha!
@benign0, man, oh! man…
bwahahaha!
Wait, the bwahahaha is from me. this is getting better and better.
St. Jude Thaddaeus, Patron of desperate cases and urgent needs – - THIS IS TRULY A MIRACLE!(seriously. not a parody)
HAHAHA! natawa ako seyo Darbs! hulaan mo baket? parody is not. HAHAHA!
Ganito lang ang punto ko pagdating sa literalism which is a kind of addiction for most “highly rational beings” – sa baryo, pag-nagharvest ng kamote o nangisda, hindi na mahalagang itanong kung ano ang essence ng kamote, o ang phenomenological underpinnings ng pamamalakaya. Kumbaga, may mga bagay na hindi na kailangan dumaan sa isang rational surgery para mapakinabangan. Sa mga taong sapat nang ma-enjoy ang texture ng kamote, o di kaya’y manamnam ang tamis nito, may sense of unity at hindi division ng object at subject (ikaw kamote, ako thinking dude). Ang kamote at ang tao ay iisa, so bakit kelangan pang operahan ng utak ang magic sweetness ng kamote. Para ano?
I’ve seen this discussion before in our Epistemology class. Heated ang discussion kamote dude and thinking dude ended up with a fist fight sa basketball court. hahaha!
Hahaha – malulugi ang kamote-q bisnes ni aling poring…hayun, ang kamote, nagkalat, di na tuloy mapakinabangan. Nagtanong lang si prof kung sino pwede bumili ng mantika pamprito,sinukli ba naman sa tanong ano ang accidentals sa isang mantika hahaha…
Manang Poring! kung kayoy nakibasa dito accidentals lang po ang Georgian Hymn na ito.
whoa thats philosophy of existence in simplified terms in another perspective, tama ba? Simplified Existentialism na may common sense.
Ano kamo, ang ipis, kinakain ang kamote?
ginamit ang kamote para pisain ang ipis.
Ang lalim nito darbs – parang ang interpretasyon ko – it’s always kamote who defeats those intestinal parasites. tama ba ako? Practicality over the disease of mental literalism? Tama pa rin ba ako darbs?
Thats also my interpretation of what darbs said Dfish. Pag si darbs talaga humirit akala mo sa una nonsense pero you really have to dig deeper. Kudos to the kamote which crushed the cockroach haha
eto si darbs kasi, napaka-spontaneous na usisero to kaya ang mga sinusulat, kargado ng lengguwahe ng mapaglarong subconscious. Genius is playing kumbaga. Parang ikaw lang pag nag-comment – hindi pinipiga ang utak, pinapaagos lang ang content from the subconscious and it’s powerful bwahahaha.O di kaya namamahay na yata ang mga Olympus dwellers dyaan…
I agree. Kasi di naman lahat may forte sa lahat ng field kaya kailangan mo iexplain. Like economics, its not my forte but its reynz. kaya whenever I want to learn something from him about eco, i really am in awe how reynz simplify them. This is also the reason why Jesus use parables para maintindihan ng audience nya. kaya nga diba sa homily we are encouraged to use allegories and metaphors para mas maintinddihan. Literalism is the lowest form of comprehension… that according to my profs in the sem. Kaya nga memorization is not studying and learning because it literaly stores info on your mind verbatim with no comprehension
@Dfish, you are in the right pitch if I interpreted your point correctly.
ano ba yan, interpretasyon ng may interpretasyon? parang buhay ng may buhay lang hahaha…
Ang hirap ng pakiramdam na matapos ka maban sa ibat ibang blog at maghanap ng belongingness saka ka naman maeetsapwera uli dun sa bagong blog na sana ay tatangapin ka. Wala ka na mapaglagyan. Sometimes the problem is not with the community. its within ourselves. kasi kung talagang very authoritative, demeaning and insensitive ang style mo, wala ka talaga makakasundo. Im sad for that person seriously. He is trying to fit in yet it seems no blog has the guts to even welcome or accept him. The ultimate question is: whose fault is it?
definitely not the community
para sa ikagagalang sa ating writer ng post na to na si KK, ganito pa rin ang punto ko pagdating sa literalism, ang pangkasalukuyang virus na mas malala pa sa H1N1.
Ang milagro attributed to St. Jude ay parang kamote lang sa mga nakakaranas nito – hindi tinatanong ang essence o accidentals. Ninanamnam lang nila ang hiwaga nito, ang tamis na naidulot sa kabila ng mga mapapait nilang karanasan sa buhay. Ang tukso lang ng literalismo ay pinipiga madalas ang utak, pilit na gawing lohikal ang isang misteryosong pangyayari. Because literalism espoused especially by science is very dominant, ini-import ang scientific framework sa pag-unawa ng isang milagro, ginagawan ng hypothesis, dinadaan sa ekspirimento. At kung hindi makarating sa isang scientifically validated conclusion, then ang isang milagro could easily be stripped of its meaning.Dahil walang meaning, walang story-telling na mangyayari. But stories are the very food of the invisible, parang mga gods and goddesses lang ng Olympus, dinadaan sa kwento. Pag walang kwento, tuyong-tuyo ang human landscape. Boring.Boring.Boring. It’s one secret and seduction of Barrio Siete – may kwentuhan, hindi literal. Hindi lahat nadadaan sa literal na usapan o bokabolaryo. May mga coded language, may mga metaphors. May secret ingredient sila bwahahaha….Kahit ang mga BWAHAHAHA, may nakapaloob din yata na mga kahulugan…
i have something to add to your very enlightening take:
Faith cannot be explained by science in any form of methodology or empirical system. Actually science serves faith and not the other way around.
When miracles do occur, the burden of proof is not on the faith, but on science itself. Science has to come up with explanation why the miracle did happen. Thats why in many miracles leading to the canonization of saints, many scientific methodologies meet their dead ends precisely because science cannot anymore explain miracle, and faith for that matter.
Therefore, Science is again slave of faith and not the other way around. Nuff said
I like what you said Bluep – swak na swak…And this is the arrogance of science most of the time, pag hindi pabor sa kanyang metodolohiya, faith is easily attacked, disparaged, undermine,discounted as primitive, childish,fictional,characterless,fear-driven,devoid of purpose, kulang sa asukal,ang liit ng hiwa ng kamote,mahal kasi kita ang ang inuuna,messy ang kusina kelangan linisin muna ang hanay, etc…
thats actually the limitation of science. You are only led to believe what you see.
But how about if you cant see them anymore like intangible emotions? just because love cannot be experimented nor touched doesnt mean it doesnt exist anymore.
Like in science today, may preudice sila sa UFO and they categorize it as paranormal which is not a definitive science. But how about in the near future, pag talagang they already invaded us, will scientist still categorize them as such eh meron nang proof?
thats why science is limited contrary to what others believe. Faith on the other hand is limitless.
Lets say if I want to believe in heaven, may mawawala ba sa akin. Pano kapag meron nga? whose loss is it?
parang sa pera sa ilalaim ng mangkok na nakataob. sabi sayo ng kasama mo walang laman yun na pera pero naniwala ka na meron. magkaroon man o wala, walang mawawala sayo kasi may probability rin na baka meron nga pera sa ilalim nun. Eh pano nga kung meron?
ang galing mo anak!
ako din naman ay woman of science, pero pagdating sa works of God, i don’t dissect it. i believe it. coz God is at work in our daily lives. like the sun rising everyday, that’s God’s promise that there’s always hope, even if you are in your darkness.
yun lang po.
–mommy glo
i mean in your darkest!
sus, may rayuma na kamay ko, mali ang tipa sa keyboard. 
hehehe
@Mommy Glo – hehe mami this is my forte hehe. Ito lang naman ang maipagmamayabang ko, that its not scinece that make me speak in tongues of fire but my faith. Even science cannot explain that.
I too madame is a man of science. My profession is basically founded in science. But I cannot accept the fact that science will control me and my existence. Thats why science is limited. It cant even touch the premise and issue of faith.
Hehe, pag me pera pala, may pambili na ng sangkatutak na kamote-q hehe.
Yes, tama ka doon sa reference mo sa Grade 5 ba yun sa itaas. Kahit si Little Prince, kuhang-kuha: “What is essential is invisible to the human eye.”
Thanks. And don’t worry. I don’t really expect much from people.
Well, that’s precisely my point. “Faith” is a debate-ender. You try to challenge Catholic dogma and you get told it’s really all about “faith”. End of conversation.
Convenient for side-stepping those hairy questions about religion that everyone is scared of exploring for fear of what they might find out about the whole thing.
By the way, ang dogma nga pala ay hindi lang usaping simbahan. Sa sarili na lang natin – may mga dogma din tayong ang hirap mabitaw-bitawan, e.g.,tayo ang pinaka-sanitized na kamote halimbawa. And we do proceed in the world having faith over such sanitized self. Tapos, pag mapuna ng iba na may parteng hindi na sanitize,hayun, gusto maging smooth as apple.
Pangalawa, ang paghahamon ng dogma ay hindi bagong gawain. Kala kasi natin minsan, pag hinahamon natin lalo na ang isang age-old institution ay napaka-original na natin. May mas nauna na kaya. Ang kaibahan lang madalas, si Luther hinamon nya ang simbahan with his faith intact pa rin. Yung iba hamon lang ng hamon, wala namang faith-credentials na kahit milagro ay ala wenta.Maunawaan kaya ang faith kung walang faith credentials? Parang yung nagging question dito sa BS tungkol sa credentials at experience – mas nakakapagpaliwanag ba ang isang tao tungkol sa accounting kung walang accounting experience?
No, No, No Benigno, I beg to disagree, this is not your point. THIS IS EXACTLY MY POINT!!!!!!
Why bother asking if you yourself know that its a debate-ender? Get it? wala naman pala patutunguhan eh bakit ka pa nagtatanong? See? It just confirmed my accusation above that you are just here to sow mayhem and chaos and not really asking for true answers or seek clarification. kaya nga ayaw namin sagutin tanong mo precisely because its a debate ender which you are trying to elongate as a debatable issue.
Now Benigno, it seems you are losing your ground. I thought the High and Mighty Benigno will let us bite the dust because we are just dimwits. But it seems you already caved in with our argumentation, coming of course from the same dimwits you labeled on your Vario. Now who among us now has the true intellect of a Genius, or an IQ of a sweet potato? You cant even refute some of the key points I laid above. You just nit-picking on my words what you think will be your ace, well in fact its your lousy joker.
See what I mean? even if we go beyond the point of considering your question you will still ram on our throats your atheistic crap that we are scared of exploring our faith. Explore what exactly? that there is no God? that Darwin needs to be divinized than God himself? That thanking the LOrd for every blessing is an act of robotical blind obedience to the “alleged” Da-vinci tainted Vatican? That having faith is an act of cowardice? You cant even prove in scientific terms what is faith!
I challenge you, prove to me in scientific parlance about faith and i will prove to you point by point the theological explanation of everything that science explained, from one- celled theory to the existence of the universe. Which is which is the debate ender now?
The Problem with you Benigno is that you are so proud of yourself. Eh wala ka din naman. All of your arguments here were refuted point by point. But what you gave us is just a piece of your forked tongue.
Truly, the High and Mighty Benigno has fallen! Defeated by the dimwits of the blogosphere!
Serves you right from being blocked on some blogs.
Kotsengkuba says on Benig’s pagtatambay sa Barrio: “Para lang sa faith, hindi kayang ipaliwanag sa salita pero tantyado namin kung ano at paano.”
I think what the Barrio dwellers are asking of you Benign0 ay simple lang: a debate has its own value. But a debate dressed in foxy,taunting, intentional tactic to prove your superior intelligence – naku – may pana,bolo,itak,lastiko ang tiga-Barrio. Hinahasa din araw-araw haha. Silver says it’s part of getting real sa Barrio.Si Bluep lang, debate kung debate, no problemo. Pero mukhang iba pa rin ang tantya sa yo ng tiga-Barrio, parang wreaking invader kaya patunayan mo muna na hindi ka isang “lost virulent soul” hehe kasi lahat yata nakakaramdam.Intelligence is one thing, intention is another thing.
@benignO, since you are exploring for answers…have you tried exploring faith? Seriuosly, have you?
Yes I have ma’am. In fact, I was educated in a Catholic school.
Dogma: Lahat ng kamote ay matamis.
Syempre, pwede mong i-challenge ang dogma na to kasi alam mo hindi naman lahat ng kamote matamis, meron ding bulok. Boff did. Balasuriya did. Luther did. And faith still matters. Even Ratzinger is considered the most rational, modern of all popes. What’s up with rationality on religious matters?
Kamote Experience: “Grabe, kanina, gutom na gutom ako. Ay salamat at may natira pang kamoteng matamis sa kusina.” This is faith-experience with kamote. Kailangang pa bang i-refute na walang kinalaman ang kamote sa pagkawala ng kalam ng sikmura.
Ang problema lang madalas sa ganitong debate – pinaghalo-halo ang matamis na kamote-eating experience at ang conclusion na lahat ng kamote ay matatamis.
The point is Dfish, Benigno kept on insisting that Galileo’s take on the sun is a Catholic Dogma which is not! Just because the church called it a heresy in the medieval times doesnt mean its already a dogma. Nowhere in the cathechism of the Catholic Church (the official and simplied textbook of all tenets catholic) states that the Galileo’s claim that the sun is the center of the solar system is in fact a catholic dogma. Its a pure scientific theory coming from a medieval astronomer for crying out loud.
Now the catch is this: he is trying to use that famous Galilean take on a religious debate, specifically on faith – which is an off tangent argument since its nature has nothing to do with faith. Ang labo ano? kaya nga if you will fall on benigno’s charlatanism, its like falling in the abyss with him. IQ is a bottomless pit of empty reasoning
Yang Galilean argument, gasgas na rin yan Bluep. Marami nang nagbago mula medieval times Benigs.Napansin ko rin – convoluted lang talaga ang potpourri arguments ni manoy.
Honga eh. Atchara na hahaha
Ang punto dito, Benigno, e kaya ginawa ang Barrio Siete e dahil nakakapagod makipag-komentarismo sa “Varrio” nyo dahil nag-uumapaw kayo sa mga intellectual elitist na ang hirap makipag-diskusyunan pero hindi naman handang tumanggap ng paliwanag ng iba at mas malala pa, ng pagkatalo sa diskusyunan.
Ngayon, kung kaya ka pumunta dito e dahil naubusan ka ng pag-aaksayahan ng talino mo sa pakikipag-debate dun sa “Varrio” nyo e wala kang mapapala dahil hindi lahat ng tao dito e handang mag-ubos ng oras a magsayang ng bandwidth para sa mga walang kabuluhan mong ipinupunto.
Pero for the sake of Barrio Siete’s being open for all, hindi ka namin iba-block tulad ng ginawa syo sa ibang sites na pilit mong binabalahura unless, of course, kung sumosobra ka na sa mga pinaggagagawa mo. That limitation can’t be explained in words or rules dahil pakiramdaman nalang yun. Para lang sa faith, hindi kayang ipaliwanag sa salita pero tantyado namin kung ano at paano.
Good luck nalang sa buhay mo.
haha kahit yan pare KK pusta ka di nyan maiintindihan hahaha
He will still insist his unstable-ground.
I don’t think so Mr. Agrumentation Police.
I’ve always known that the point you make is that we shouldn’t ask such difficult questions because it will always lead to the basta faith dead-end. No argument there. In fact “faith” by its very nature cannot be proven scientifically because everything you try to prove — or disprove — will always come down to a “matter of faith”. You’re stating nothing but obviousness in that “point” you try to make, Mr Policeman; which makes what you say here quite oxymoronic:
There is nothing “scientific” about faith, so I find it a bit bizarre that you’d challenge me to scientifically prove anything about it.
And then this:
Science arrived at whatever it explains through a method of inquiry that does not work backwards from “truths” made by the edicts of certain people.
Theology on the other hand is a thought framework that was backward engineered from dogma. Kung baga (as an example) first there was the “Trinity” from which some kind of convoluted explanation was woven around.
Science in most cases changes or evolves a belief system (such as how it changed an earth-centric mindset, to a solar-centric mindset, and so on and so forth). Theology on the other hand re-inforces an established mindset by building arguments around an immovable truth-by-edict.
Your “challenge” is built on an apples-to-oranges concept, Mr. Policeman.
Thus, you misunderstand the point cute little moi makes (to be fair, my point is a bit more subtle than yours). My point is that there is something to be said about things that can be explained only by explaining away the question.
Kaya nga I asked you a while ago:
What I present is an alternative view. Of course you and I know in the case of this comment thread that the argumentation leads almost always to that basta faith clause (which is the point you make). You even go as far as asserting that I would “ram” my “atheistic crap”. Honestly, dude, do you see any actual ramming going on on my part here?
Stidi ka lang dyan.
The way I see it, Benigno is vying for Bluep’s attention. At habang pinapansin e lalong nagpapapansin.
Its okay KK haha I can handle this.
Exactly Benigno. You finally admitted its apple and oranges. Kasi nga simula pa lang ng comment mo eh you are already questioning faith on the basis of science. Basahin mo mga sinasabi mo sa comment mo and you will realize that is actually OUR point.
Dont take lieterally my challenge. The main reason why I said that is because its impossible to explain the two using different approach Re: scientific to faith and vice versa. Yan na mismo benigno ang sinasabi ko sa simula pa na di mo makuha.
Kaya nga diba sabi ko, hindi lahat ng sinasabi namin dito ay literal. You have to read between the lines. Hindi sa minamaliit kita Benigno, its just my way of psywar. Like you I also have my own style of delivering my argument. Pero pare obserbahan mo lahat ng nagcocomment dito na nirerefute ka, naiintindihan nila point ko. kasi nga:
when you mix faith with science and you question faith in terms of your scientific dominance and frame of mind eh hindi nga talaga pwede kasi nga sabi mo nga “apples and oranges”. na simulat simula pa lang eh sinasabi ko na. Thats why I kept on saying taht your question and your series of arguments are off tangent kasi gusto mo iquantify based on science ang faith na di naman talaga pwede… lalo na yung miracle and the question why God answer others prayer while some are not answered.
Benigno, read your last comment. What you are throwing at me is actually the gist of my point from the very start, including my take that your question is off tangent.
Yan na yun. Ikaw na sumagot sa argument mo. Na kanina ko pa rin sinasabi sayo na alam mo na naman ang sagot nagtatanong kapa.
See? I never answered your question but I made you answer your own. haha
@kk,
Eh balita ko, ina-away yan nang mga tiga-Varrio nya kasi hahaha
baka wala nang mapaglagyan sa kanya sa blogosphere kaya dito nagbabaka-sakali. hahaha
nut a problem! ospital-bol naman tayo sa Barrio Siete ah!
hahaha!
Basta magbehave lang sya at wag uber provocative mga comments nya walang problema ahahaha
plus sabi nga ni Dfish sa taas, wag iliteral lahat ng sinasabi ng mga taga barrio siete. read between the lines. Know the context. pag yun nagawa nya, finally he will find home ahahaha
Hinde…ganito lang yan.
Repeat after me sa tono ng boses ni Gollum:
MY PRECCCCIIIOOOOUUUUSSSSSS……
Hmmmm, you seem to be basing the point you are trying to make on an assumption that I am “mix[ing] faith with science”.
Guess again.
Where exactly in this comment thread did I try to “mix faith and science”?
Cite specific examples, plez.
Where exactly in this comment thread did I try to “mix faith and science”?
RESPONSE: SAYANTOLOGY.
~bow~
Next question please…
well its not my problem anymore if you are too dumb to even recognize your own comments. hahaha
punta ka sa PAGASA baka dun ituro sayo ang hinahanap mo. haha waste of time ka. pag tinopak ako baka lang maiblock kita haha.
Humanap ka nga ng kausap mo at sa totoo lang wala ka kwenta ka debate kung puro cite an example ang alam mo. sarili mo comment di mo marecognize between the lines.
That’s the trouble with making assertions based on a weak comprehension of whatever basis you presume to underpin it with.
You’re the Argumentation Policeman, right?
hahahaha assertions ka dyan. wag mo nga sa akin binabalik ka engotan mo. pag wala ka mairefute magtatanong ka ng sarili mo argument. eh ayan tutukain ka na ng comments mo. halos isampal na namin sayo na kanina mo pa pinagpipilitan yang atheism at science crap mo sa faith kung dika naman siraulo at kalahti.
wag mo ako idamay benigno. di ako engot tulad mo Mr. Outcast
Mamang pulis,
Don’t wave a gun around unless you plan to really use it. :p
ah ganun ha. sige maghintay ka. ako pa ang itetest mo. haha dyan ka matulog sa labas
Test? There is nothing to “test”, dude. You know why? Because you apparently apply an arbitrary set of “rules” for “blocking” commentors as evident in what you say here:
This won’t really be the first time I’ve been blocked. But it’ll certainly be the first time I’d be blocked by someone na “tinopak”.
Mr. “Argumentation Policeman”, sir. Can you please cite an instance here that warrants the liberties you take to call me rude words like “engot”?
Have I been rude to you in any way?
Or is this just another instance of the arbitrary ways by which you choose to do certain things here?
Just a bit of food for thought, Mamang Pulis.
Ang Kulllllllleeeeeeeet!
and that is the typical Benigno! who thinks highly of himself, para syan lord hahaha over and above anyone else’s intelligence
nakalimutan ata ni benigno na former kaVilang Varrio readers kami at dun namen nakita kung ganu kabahu and rudeness nang sang to to a point of insulting his readers kaya ONE should not be surprised how he reduced these comments to this one because HONESTLY BENIGNO is here in da barrio to insult us and tell the world that HE IS THE ALL KNOWING AND EVER INTELLECTUAL for after all, sino na nga ba ang common na nag-cha-challenge sa kaVilang Varrio nang mga readers nila na ultimo mga kasamahan nya sa Varrio nila eh iritado sa mokong na to?!
Benigno, I’m asking you to just shut up and go back to where you came from. I’m ready to fire you out of Barrio Siete dahil nakikipag-away ka lang instead of trying to justify your self, your words or anything.
Bastos ka and we don’t want to tolerate beings like you sa Barrio Siete. Pino-provoke mo ang mga tao dito just so you could feed you ego.
Wala kang kwentang tao. I know I’m not supposed to say this to anyone pero sa haba ng bad track record mo e ‘yun na siguro ang best description that fits you.
Stop asking for examples because just your being here is enough evidence.
Barrio Siete folks, wag nyo nalang pansinin dahil lalo lang syang natutuwa. Don’t fall into his traps.
Whoa.
There is a troll disguised as an intellectual sheep.
HAHAHA! ano baaa!
istidi lang kayo.
benigno is reli dat simpol.
hahaha!
nang-iirita lang yan kasi burong buro na sa kaVilang Varrio dahil iniwan na ng mga residente dun hahaha alam nyo yon?
HEY! at least, we now have earned ONE TROLL. hahaha! eye em happy! haha!
Hahahah….
Parang si Gollum….
My precious! LOL!
e kase naman dito pa sya sa post ko nakikipag-away e, hahaha. pwede naman sa post nalang ni bluep o kaya kay silver. hahaha. ayan tuloy, nasa top commented list na tong post ko. hahaha
St. Jude, help of the hopeless. Aid us in our distress!!!
@KK!
daanin ba sa dasal! teka lan…
Deliver us from every benigno err evil!
Tsk tsk.
Evidence of “evil”, “rudeness”, or anything that would warrant being “blocked”.
If nobody can cite any, then go ahead and apply the arbitrary rules of your “barrio council” and ban me.
@benign0, minsan kasi may kasabihang the more you hate the more you love.
If I were in the council I don’t think, I will vote for banning you – - that is just me saying…
@benignO,
eye em La Kapitana and don’t cry… no one will ever be banned in our Barrio Siete. even if you’re one lost soul who insults people, thou shall not be banned. hindi lang kami maki-ki social climb seyo hahaha!
@benign0, alam kong alam mo na minsan ang presentation is important too.
The truth is… the first time I saw your avatar sa FV, I squirmed. un bang … I could not explain the feeling. un bang nababanaag mo pa rin kahit hindi mo na nakikita. or shall i say your avatar is disturbing. un lang naman. i have a proof na kung “six packs” ang ilagay mo na avatar baka something good will happen.
but again, you have your own reasons why you yan ang pinili mong image. and i respect that.
@benign0, kung meron kang masugid na tanga-hanga ay ako yun in lab na nga ako seyo eh— at pag mey nag ban seyo dito susundan kita san kaman naroon ganyan kita ka lab e iiistalk kita kahit na nga wala kang balls iiistalk pa rin kita— ganyan kita ka lab—
“kasalanan bang umibig sa walang bayaaaag(singing with the hymn of boy condenado theme) kung kasalanan mang ibigin kay ayaw kong mawatooooooh, sa pagkakamali ayaw kong ngumising— ngasalanan mang umimig ng walang mayaaaaag hoooo yeah baybeh!”
hahaha!
Sabay tayong samihing,
Imaglalaman ko ang mag-imig mooooo!
ano man ang mangyari di kita iiwan…
o aking mag-imig giliw ko. – Freddie Aguilar naman yan.
nyahaha @darbs, sika met tem maki kansyon pay hahaha
hahaha! madi gayam iti maki kansyon @lee?
panggaasem, ilukat mo ta bentanam ikalumbabam ta kitaem tuy kinalagayak no matayakon nu di nak kasyan. ayat iti lakay ket balasang nasam sam et ngem hasmin… namumulaklak doon sa lumang simbahan na napagmasdan dalaga’t binata or may mga asawa’t anak na nagsusumpaan. BWAHAHA!
nyahahahaha @darbs, adda kansyon ko makikansyon ka met—
matay kan sandonggok awan pay kalson mo—
awan pay kalson mo nga mapan kampo santo bwahahaha
@darbs?ammom nga kansyunin adyay pamulinawen nga new version?
I am washing my hands. She told me to do it.
New Version: Pamulinawen.
Pamulinawen, butom nga tim-mang ken
Toy garampingat
Nagdak kel ita kanyam.
Panunotem man
Dika pagintultulngan
Toy agayat, ag jaJAKOL ita emmam.
Sorry, i could not continue…
@darbs, nyahahaha patay tayo sa barabggay hahaha yoko dito kantahin kasi nasa loob tayo ng simbahan hahaha dun ko kansyunin sa taratitat abangan mo—
OMG! I FORGOT…SIGNUM CRUSIS! DIOS MIO! no not good. my bad! @ lee thank you for pointing it out. I would like to recommend to delete that version of Pamulinawen.
Sorry, sorry, sorry… how insensitive I am. I might be sakrilids but not this way.
You are right lee. this is not the place for that filthy song.
Please delete…not appropriate for this place.
Once again, my apology to all!
NO NOT FUNNY AT ALL!
BARRIO COUNCIL CENSORSHIP COMMITTEE PLEASE DELETE! THE SONG PAMULINAWEN.
@darbs, ahahahahahaha sorry diko rin nakita kagad its too late na nung makita ko napakanta na kita pala hahaha sorry din po sorrry sabay luhod patay sa kamahalan at sa kuya KK magdasal na tayot mamaya my bukol tayong dalawa hahaha
Even though I will rat you out as the brain but I will take the responsibility of my action. Got to go. RUUUUUNNNNNNN! ayokong mabitay sa ngayon. ruunnnnnnnn, as fast as I can… you can catch me because I am a sakrilids man. waaa!
SORRY din diko napansin kagad kala ko nasa taratitat pa rin tayo,juice ko tara magkape muna tayo sa kanto darbs habang naghihintay tayong mapaluhod sa asin habang pinapakain sa hantik mamaya pagdating ng kamahalan at kuya KK
Thanks Mr. reynz. I’ve always been quite certain that I won’t be banned here if it were all up to you alone.
Think of it this way. I regularly venture out of FV to get different perspectives. Mahirap naman kasi yung isang mundo lang ang tinatambayan.
Indeed, maybe as you speculate I am indeed a “lost soul”. Wouldn’t it be gratifying to you if I found it here?
Hey Mr. Kotsengkuba, as I told Mr. Arguemntation Policeman earlier, don’t go around waving a gun around unless you are going to actually use it.
kala naman ata nitong si benigno e wala akong “say” sa banning at blocking dito. wahaha
EXACTLY!
If not with St. Jude Thaddaeus, Patron of desperate cases and urgent needs,
Benign0 is not here.
BY BEING HERE… IS THIS NOT THE FACE OF MIRACLE?
What MIRACLE are we looking anyway? CONVERSION? You need The experience of Paul in the Acts of the Apostle to convert BENIGN0!
you need GOD HIMSELF TO STRUCK HIM WITH THAT LIGHT from heaven ala ST.Paul Experience.
Buti nga si Benign0 nakipag debati lang, tingnan nyu si St. Paul bago naging st. PINAPATAY AT TINUTUGIS ANG MGA X-tian BELIEVERS!
Benign0 – - QOU VADIS KAPATID?
Try Liberation Theology bro…especially in a Christian society.
Dahil, pure Marxismo, Leninismo at pag-iisip ni Mao ay hindi oobra sa forsaken na Pilipinas na yan.
SWAK darbs! swak! indeed miracle works! and no one should question it no more hahaha
its not a miracle, its the ten plagues of Egypt LOL
@bluep, if you put it that way
hahaha.Yes, I agree.
First lets define miracle, plagiarice from wikipedia
In addition,
Now what if we will put it this way
A miracle of the ten plagues of Egypt.
Moses was just the instrument for the miracle of the plague to happen.
So sabi pa, MAGIC PALA HA? Your magicians can do that ha?
Here we go. Ten Plagues tingnan nyu kung kaya ninyo tu.
The plagues as they appear in the Bible are:
1. (Exodus 7:14–25) rivers and other water sources turned to blood killing all fish and other water life. (Dam)
2. (Exodus 8:1–8:15) amphibians (commonly believed to be frogs) (Tsfardeia)
3. (Exodus 8:16–19) lice or gnats (Kinim)
4. (Exodus 8:20–30) beasts or flies[2] (Arov)
5. (Exodus 9:1–7) disease on livestock (Dever)
6. (Exodus 9:8–12) unhealable boils (Shkhin)
7. (Exodus 9:13–35) hail mixed with fire (Barad)
8. (Exodus 10:1–20) locusts (Arbeh)
9. (Exodus 10:21–29) darkness (Choshech)
10. (Exodus 11:1–12:36) death of the first-born of all Egyptian families
Wikipedia
Plagues looked like miracle to me.
Hahaha well plagia-riced darbs haha. Fair Enough. You convinced me.
In short the Plagues were just instruments to reach the ultimate purpose of God via miracle. Tama ba ang basa ko?
Yet I will also say that these plagues where in God’s miracle happened was by in itself EVIL haha
therefore as Reynz said.. God Allows evil.. to facilitate his purpose which is the miracle and that evil already has a face on barrio Siete hahaha
LOL @ 10 plagues…
Very good point darbs, very well, very finer,very straight hahaha…
I disagree hahahahaha
Miracle is for the benefit of mankind, not a plague sent by God hahaha
hahahaha! i disagree with you blue! hahaha! God wills that there be evil also hahaha
hahahahaha anak ng pating tawa ako ng tawa dito hahaha
hahahahahahaha
THat I can agree with you 100% Now we have seen the real face of EVIL hahaha Gollum istatue? hahahaha
Hahahaha. Benigs – time to make lawak your imagination hahaha…
Presenting Gollum and Sadako – forever love hahahahaha
Hahaha – napukaw ang innate superpower inhabitants ni Blooop…
hahaha imagne pag tinanong sa interview ang love story nila:
“its actually started as a horror story” hahahahahahaha
ay huli ako sa latest update sa barrio, di ko alam nagbabatohan na dito..
let there be peace here in the barrio…
reading….
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