The Lords of Olongapo
When the City of Olongapo is mentioned, the first things that would come to mind are two: the entertainment bars lining its streets and the name Gordon.
While the roots of existence of the former are well-traced, the existence and the reason why the latter became a household name is not much talked about. Who really are the Gordons? How did they come into power? And how for several decades, did a single family dominate the entire political landscape of the city?
The Early Gordon
Though nobody from the local opposition could prove their claim that Olongapo strongman Richard Gordon, the considered head of Olongapo’s first family, is not a Filipino citizen, nobody could dispute that Dick is of an American descent.
The first Gordon to land on Philippine soil was Dick’s grandfather, John Jacob Gordon. John arrived as early as 1898 as part of Admiral George Dewey’s fleet during the Spanish-American War. It was reported that John had Russian Jewish parents, which probably explains his grandson Dick’s behavioral tendencies.
When the war ended, then US President Theodore Roosevelt declared Subic as an American military reservation.
John stayed behind, acquired vast farmlands in Subic, and opened his first bar and restaurant in the area. Outliving his first Filipina wife, he remarried another Filipina by the name of Veronica Tagle, a daughter of a revolutionary known to have served under Gen. Emilio Aguinaldo.
From this second marriage he sired a son with a name similar to the famous Batman cartoon character, James Gordon.
The Rise of a Dynasty
While John Gordon’s other children from his first marriage decided to live comfortably in the states, son James had his stakes, both economically and politically, set on Subic.
He expanded his father’s businesses, and within a short span of time, was able to acquire a hotel, a movie theater, a radio station, a bakeshop, and more restaurants. He married Amelia Juico with whom he had five children, namely Richard (Dick), James Jr. (Bong), Veronica, Cecil and Barbara.
With Filipino blood in his veins, James joined the guerrilla and fought side by side with native Filipinos during the Japanese occupation of the Philippines. When the war ended, he tried his luck in politics and won as councilor of Subic town. At that time, Olongapo was still a barrio of Subic.
In 1959, through constant lobbying and agitation among its citizens, the US government returned some of the reservation areas back to the Philippines and Olongapo became a separate municipality from Subic with James Gordon as its first mayor. Unfortunately, James died even before his term ended. He was assassinated by a lone gunman.
The eldest son Dick was then still too young to take over his father’s place. So to keep their name on politics while waiting for the heir apparent to come of age, his widow Amelia Gordon ran, won, and took the mayoral post.
Dick started his political journey to retake what was “his” in 1971, when he won a seat in the Constitutional Convention. At 26, and still in law school, he was the youngest member of the ConCon.
In 1980, he reclaimed his political inheritance when he won as Olongapo mayor. He then started an all-out campaign to form community organizations. Until now, his efforts continue to prove fruitful for his political interests. Almost all sectors, even the balut vendors down to the dyaryo-bote buyers, all had their share in their sectoral organizations.
After the EDSA revolt, the Aquino administration created a provisionary government and Dick was thrown out of office. That was just temporary however, because he quickly regained his post after winning the succeeding local election.
By then, the political empire of Gordons started to overshadow the entire city. He was then Olongapo mayor, his wife was a member of the House of Representative for Olongapo, and Dick’s younger brother James Jr., was a city councilor.
When the Philippines rejected the extension of the RP-US Bases Treaty, Dick Gordon was appointed chairman of the SBMA while serving as Olongapo mayor. But when pressure from the national government started to mount due to his dual position, he gave up the mayoral post.
In time, his congresswoman wife Kate became City Mayor, his brother James Jr. became the congressman, and nephew JC Delos Reyes (JC is the one running for president under the Kapatiran Party, however, he publicly reiterated his opposition to political dynasties and in fact filed graft cases with the Ombudsman against his own uncle James Jr. who’s now the current Olongapo mayor) became city councilor, and he was SBMA Chairman.
Command and Control
The strategic economic value of the former military base served as a tool to establish political power and subsequently, dominate the surrounding localities, most importantly, the city of Olongapo.
And whoever is in command of the now bustling Freeport practically has the control over the majority of voters who are either a Freeport worker or aspiring to be one. It was one of the reasons why Richard Gordon and the rest of his family lobbied for the establishment and leadership of the SBMA. It’s as simple an analogy as one plus one, to put the entire population within its radius under their command and control.
In fact, during his term at the SBMA, employment opportunities were confined to loyal political wards and supporters. Anybody who wished to oppose or even were contrary to their will simply could not have access to this God-given natural and employment resource.
A simple indicator of this eco-political blackmail during his term was the presentation of a job applicant his voter’s ID complete with precinct number as officially part of the requirements for employment.
When Estrada came to power he appointed Bataan Congressman Felicito Payumo to the SBMA post. The succeeding events that took place during the SBMA leadership conflict made the public realize the “turfdom” that was going on in Subic. (They had a minor glimpse during the APEC Summit, when we were almost killed by an organized mob)
Only then had the residents been given the chance to expose this dominance of the Gordon clan over the entire city. With it went the real situation inside and outside the Freeport, and the true political situation in Olongapo.
Not the First Time
The historic but nevertheless bloody incident that took place in the infamous hostile takeover on Building 229 shocked the entire country, but surprisingly, not the local residents.
According to residents, a similar situation happened right after the first EDSA. Dick Gordon, who was still serving as mayor of Olongapo, refused to step down and give way to the Aquino-appointed Ted Macapagal.
As a result, and pretty much what happened in SBMA, Gordon and his political supporters held vigils within the city hall premises. They stayed there for several days until violence erupted.
After the newly appointed officials successfully took over city government premises, they were surprised to see government properties destroyed. For example, the official vehicle intended for the mayor was filled with human feces much to the dismay of the new staff.
Conclusion
Nepotism had become a common practice. The Gordons have even set-up its own landmarks for all to see. Karilagan Street was renamed Gordon Avenue, Pag-Asa Public Market was renamed James L. Gordon Public Market, Olongapo General Hospital was renamed James L. Gordon Memorial Hospital, a barangay was named Gordon Heights, a bridge was named James L. Gordon Memorial Bridge and a lot more.
These landmarks serve as a stern reminder of who runs and owns the place. A reminder to all, both supporters and otherwise, that non-conformity can lead to an unimaginable risk.
Famous for their numerous slogans, Gordon has a not-so famous one: “Kung ayaw nyo sa patakaran ko, lumayas kayo ng Olongapo!” One can easily surmise who owns what and how much. The idea of Dick Gordon being President certainly makes me shiver.
With all the landmarks renamed, one wouldn’t be surprised if the city council next decides to rename the city after its own centennial rulers. Just as the place bowed in subservience to its ancient Spanish and American conquerors, it is practically destined to bow to the lords of the city.
And with the absence of genuine alternative candidates in the coming election, the dynasty can be sure to survive yet another century.
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BURAOT is your quintessential skeptic but a not-yet-so-hopeless pessimist. Impatient most of the time, hence the name, he yearns to discover the magnanimity of the universe and the infinite folly of human stupidity (yep, that was Einstein's). And yes, oo.. he also want world peace. You can stalk him out at Anak ni Kulapo and I Am Buraot.
great piece, very informative. now it makes sense especially when he blows his top.
thanks Carlo.
PCIJ should consider this for publication.
i’m blushing lalaine.
~emailing PCIJ~
~voting buraot for PCIJ~
thank you guys for the idea but i don’t think they would take it. one of the officers of the PCIJ is a solid Gordon supporter. and judging from Kutz here, they would assassinate the whole story even before it hits the editor desk.
Buraot,
““Kung ayaw nyo sa patakaran ko, lumayas kayo ng Olongapo!”
But why? Does he own Olongapo? Is Olongapo a private hacienda or something?
Ana,
he certainly feels like it. juts like the argument of Kutz here, whoever’s in charge have the right to do it. and because I don’t agree with the issue of globalization, i should not get a job inside the freeport?
haha. like telling people they are not allowed to eat because they don’t agree with how the food was made.
Agree!
We are aware of Gordon’s temper and that he holds Olongapo, or rather the clan does, but didn’t know that this was to this extent.
Excellent exposé, Buraot.
Thanks for this report.
Anna,
all empires, and in this case, dynasties, will fall in due time. one position had been taken from them last election, hopefully eveutally, their grip would no longer hold.
sadly, in olongapo, it takes another dynasty to do ti. which really sucks. because it’s gonna be the same thing all over again, just a different family.
Sigurado kang sinabi niya na…
KUNG AYAW MO SA PATAKARAN KO… LUMAYAS KA SA OLONGAPO.
ASAN PROOF?
uy si Gregg, ini-stalk mo na ako ha? pati dito sinusundan mo ko? bat di mo itanong dun sa amo mo?
sinubukan mo na bang tanungin ang sarili mo… corrupt ba si Gloria? asan ang proof?
kung tingin mo gawa gawa ko lang ang mga nakasulat dito, bat di ka magpunta ng olongapo, magtanong ka dun.
Thanks Lalaine, but they will not consider this. And therefore I won’t ask them.
“In fact, during his term at the SBMA, employment opportunities were confined to loyal political wards and supporters. Anybody who wished to oppose or even were contrary to their will simply could not have access to this God-given natural and employment resource.”
I want to see the “in fact” thing because I have three heavy equipment operator cousins straight from the province of Cotabato who got swindled by supposed Saudi jobs that they paid for. They took chances in Subic Freeport Zone got a job there around this time – no connections, no political ties, just plain and simple qualification. One of the three are still there and so is his younger brother.
Of course, 3 may not be a valid sample out of the population of those who applied but I’m interested with the data that backs the accusation of nepotism.
His grandmother is Filipina, his own parents are Filipinos and fought with the guerillas, and he was born in Zambales for goodness sake. I say you quit the un-Filipino insinuation because being “of American descent” does not make one an American Citizen. Good try though, hehehehe.
Kutz,
i am not insinuating. in fact, i used the very same issue when we lobbied the Commission on Appointments against the appointment of Dick Gordon as Tourism Secretary. there was a technicality when it comes to his citizenship. this technicality is based on a particular law where he failed to formally elect his citizenship because his father is, quite obviously, an American.
but like i said, “nobody from the local opposition could prove their claim” because of the issue is considered “moot”. it’s like the case of, say, the American Indians here in the states who had an accord with the US government as a separate “sovereign entity”. one group of Indians a few years ago, decided they don’t want the treaty anymore and revoke it, declaring that they are not part of the USA anymore. do you think anybody listened?
while they have all the legal rights, nobody listened.
but anyway, i will post an entry soon, explaining this very same issue. but like I said, this is a non-issue anymore because it is considered “moot”. but maybe when i explained the law behind this issue, you might see why.
If nobody can prove it, it’s called unfounded accusations. Parang yung group ng birthers na hanggang ngayon naniniwalang hindi natural born american si Obama. Kung puro accusation at walang proof, sa mata ng batas, hindi trululu, sowee.
If nobody can prove it, it’s called unfounded accusations.
Allow me to take issue with this very particular line (I don’t wish to question the poster’s take on Gordon — the issue I would like to tackle in particular is not Gordon.)
What I’m trying raise here is my observation about the Pinoys’ penchant for saying “Go sue me!” or “Ask my lawyer!”, “Show me the court-approved evidence, legal proof, etc.” (like Gloria’s wizard son who couldn’t explain his sudden wealth) every time a political issue or personality is raised that isn’t to their taste. Reminds me very much of the situation in Zimbabwe, eg., a fellow says, “There’s so much abuse because Mugabe’s henchmen are abusive.” but Mugabe’s henchmen, with a stick and a machette, then turn around and demand to the ordinary Zimbabwean, “Prove it!”
True, in the court of law, a person is presumed innocent until proven guilty. But if people insist on adopting this legal doctrine on almost anything, particularly when another merely advances an opinion or an experience, makes an observation, puts forward a thought about or against someone political, a public persona, to cut off all disputations or debates, we might as well stop using our brain cells, stop thinking altogether, stop feeling concerned and leave the thinking to lawyers and the court of law.
Might as well stop criticising any and all politicians, eg., Gloria and her henchmen — might as well write only about good things, might as well ignore the bad things, the corruption, the abuses, the crimes, after all in this country nobody can prove anything against anybody high and mighty or powerful.
The popular challenge of “Prove it!”, “Sue me!” “Ask my lawyer!” can be valid only if the other party or the one who is being spoken about, eg., the high and mighty or the powerful, will allow thorough scrutiny of his record, his performance, his/her leadership, and/or aspects of his political or public service life.
But this is almost next to impossible in the RP setting where it is evident that a politician, particularly one whose influence extends beyond the realm of what should be purely political, will almost always refuse to be scrutinised and on the contrary, will deliberately shield from public view aspects of his vast influence.
While I believe in responsible reporting, it is essential that people’s ability to dissent mustn’t be stifled because a formal court evidence hasn’t accompanied that exposé.
In fine, I’d like to reassure the commenter that with regard to what he said about his brother having found a job in Olongapo without a fee, a patron, etc, I personally won’t question the veracity of his statement and am prepared take his/her word at face value. But that is me. Now, what if someone else says, “Prove it!”
In other words, discernment is essential. One must be judicious and not abuse certain “legal prerogatives” particularly in a forum such as this. There is a limit to how far one should go with regard to whipping up the sacred “Prove it with a court approved evidence!”
Uyy, ayaw ni Buraot ng ganyan… gusto ni Buraot may due process. Ako rin ganun. Kaya pag naga hurl tayo ng accusations such as nepotism, dictatorship, violation of human rights, at abuse of authority sa isang tao, mabibigat yun eh. Hindi mo dapat sinasabi yan kung wala kang katibayan kasi sabi nga ni Kris, bad yan~~~
Yung accuser has the burden of proof. It’s not up to me to prove him wrong. It’s up to him to substantiate his accusation lest he be accused of black propaganda, or worse lying.
Wala akong gaanong reaction sa naunang tatlong sinulat ni Buraot about his Olongapo experience kasi I understand that those those were his experiences. This one is written in quasi historical way with all the negative insinuations from my candidate’s citizenship, to his management style, kaya pwedeng kwestiyunin ang mga assertions, di ba?
Uy! I like!
“In other words, discernment is essential. One must be judicious and not abuse certain “legal prerogatives” particularly in a forum such as this.”
Can I write an article and post it in “this forum” saying Noynoy is a weakling and has not rolled up his sleeves nor made a stand in any national issue and prefers to always put his behind on the safe side? Can I say he refuse to make any categorical statement on any controversial issue including the war in Mindanao, MOA agreement, hunger, poverty, and the most especially CARP? Wouldn’t you question my credibility and intent too and ask for anything else in support of my claims? Can I write in a forum as powerful as a blog that per my experience, in the mid 90′s when the war in Pikit, Cotabato displaced a lot of people and stopped classes for months because schools were used as evacuation camps, Noynoy went there with his mother and did absulutely nothing except sit his behind on a bench and have photo ops?
Eh dahil dito sa “this forum” na ito ko lang naman isinulat, di nyo ba ako kukwestiyonin? Hindi nyo ba ako hahanapan man lang ng katibayan bago nyo ako paniwalaan? Are you going to say, we cannot question her kasi experience nya yan?
Ayan, kapag kinuwestyon nyo ako sa statement ko na yan eh di ibig sabihin agree kayo sa pagtatanong tanong ko kay Buraot. Pero iaacuse ko naman kayo ngayon ng double standard dahil zhoket pag sha ang mega claim, waz kayo say, puro I accept lang saka I agree, heheheh.
*bzing!*
Kutz,
if I were you I’d quit teaching and concentrate on PR instead. you’re so good at putting a spin especially on this issue of due process.
you’re just a natural.
kudos.
i would love you to post that article Kutz. i dare you.
mwhahahahahaah!
You’re in for an eternal wait because I will not write that, hehehehe. Because regardless of what I know in my heart, I believe that if I write something like that, sensible people will ask for proof like I did to you. And I cannot prove it therefore I will not write it. I will not claim something that I cannot prove. Or, if I ever write it… I will be very clear with saying – these are just the authors opinion and perceptions based on her personal experiences. I will not pass it as something factual because facts require evidences.
I rest my case.
and i am not waiting because no mater how a i dare you you wouldn’t right? HOW CONVENIENT. not only you don’t have the balls to do it, you also don’t have anything really.
so who’s doing the talk?
yes rest. like i said, you’re gonna need it.
I know Kate Gordon was defeated in the last elections … and I also know that Family Dynasties don’t lose in elections…so which is which?
And please substantiate your point about “Nepotism had become a common practice”, who, when and what.
Thanks!
Jet P.
Jet,
nang-aano ka na naman eh. hehehe. losing in an election does not make a Political Dynasty lose its being a political dynasty.
no need to expound on nepotism Jet.
LOL Jet.
I think you are not living here in the Philippines. No idea about nepotism here??
Nepotism has become the staple in Philippine politics – from local units up to the national level.
Silver,
Ofcourse I live in the Philippines…
Now Silve, I will accuse you of Nepotism….so am I being fair without giving you specifics of who you favored? when was this (year)? what position (baka tricycle operators president lang pala)… I mean it is easy to accuse, but put naman some details to it..to be credible…
That is all your honor…
LOL.
May credible ka pang nalalaman. Bat di ka kaya magbasa ng dyaryo, saliksikin ang mga position ng mga taong big time kuno sa government starting with the Arroyos etc?
Tingnan mo ang state ng politics here: nepotism breeds political dynasties. Sila sila na lang ang naglalaro na parang trip to jerusalem sa mga public positions. Pag nabakante ni Tatay ang pwesto, sunod si Anak or si Jr.
Sus. You are commenting as if you are born yesterday.
What I have written is a general observation. Its not even an accusation.
Read my comments again.
Silver,
I am asking Buraot for specifics about Nepotism in Olongapo…last I check that was the topic header here…
All I am saying is when you accuse someone, provide naman some (sige na nga “a bit of”) details so there is something we could specifically argue and debate about… hindi yung motherhood statements that no one can argue against… Remember Buraot is talking about his experiences…then why not detail his bad experience in the context of nepotism… yun lang naman ang punto ko.
Jet,
Linawin mo kasi ang statements mo. Kasi ang direction ng statements mo e papunta sa akin. Hindi kay Buraot.
Next time, make them clear enough. Hindi yung may paligoy-ligoy pa.
Jet,
the mere renaming of pretty much everything in their name reeks of nepotism all by itself.
So naming a street in honor of his late father is now called NEPOTISM? Unbelievable….
yes Jett, UNBELIEVABLE talaga. now you’re talking.
actually Jet, even tricycle associations, kelangan kanila din. wahahahha! and it’s true.
but like i said, don’t take my word for it.
“simple indicator of this eco-political blackmail during his term was the presentation of a job applicant his voter’s ID complete with precinct number as officially part of the requirements for employment.”
According to my cousin who is still in Zambales to this day, Voter’s ID was great at that time only because the people of Olongapo were given priority when it comes to jobs. It makes sense because these people were the ones who guarded the facility round the clock from looters. It’s called “giving to Juan what is due to Juan”.
My cousins only showed some kind of postal ID and passport because they were supposedly bound for Saudi. They still got the jobs because no one was better qualified. The people of Olongapo were priorities but if no one can do the job, they still hire “outsiders”.
Baka naman inaplayan mong posisyon yung SBMA chairman kaya di ka natanggap. *JOKJOKBOLANTI!*
Kutz,
i do understand the need to give jobs to the local people. i also expect your cousins to have jobs. they were most probably apolitical. but try this sometime… go on an event declaring your concern/complaint in whatever issue against the Gordons PUBLICLY. then try to apply for job.
my issue pretty much sums up like this: if you are not in favor of the Gordons, especially if you actively campaigned against them, you’re out. why is that? let me say this again, if i voted for FPJ, is it a reason for me not to receive government services under GMA?
Subic Bay Freeport is a business organization, for goodness sake!
Listen, if you are with HR, you want to hire people who are first and foremost, QUALIFIED.
Second you would want someone who would have the ability to get on board and be a team player to the vision and mission of the company.
Tell me, would it make sense for an HR to knowingly hire an applicant who they know will only “spy” or find faults in every single business decision?
To be more precise about my point, if you are the HR for McDonalds, would you hire a manager who you know is highly invested in your competition, Jollibee? Wouldn’t it would make more sense from a business perspective to just hire the other applicant who’s intent are not “tainted”?
“Subic Bay Freeport is a business organization, for goodness sake!”
exactly my point Kutz. why does your political affiliation matter? wasn’t that very discriminatory? why would anyone for that matter, think of an applicant as a would-be spy? we all have our political rights, so why does that mater in applying for a job?
the analogy of a McDonald hiring a former employee of Jolibbee is a fallacy. these are private companies, and therefore whoever owns it, have right over it. SBMA is owned by the government and thereby, by the people. Gordon do not own it, nor anybody who is in charge.
Kaya nga pag business, whether provate man siya o government, kailangan ang manager’s main agenda is to protect and push the interest of the business para lumago davah?
You don’t want us to probe further bakit hindi ka na hire davah? You just want us to take your word for it – dahil sa iyong political affiliations? I’m sure pag yung HR ang tinanong natin, ibang tono ang ikakanta nun, although that’s beside the point.
Did you ever investigate kung sino at ano ang qualification ng na hire dun sa job na inaplayan mo?
“Kaya nga pag business, whether provate man siya o government, kailangan ang manager’s main agenda is to protect and push the interest of the business para lumago davah?”
sure Kutz, interest of the business, not political interest.
bow.
sempre, ang magnanakaw ba inaaming magnanakaw sila?
Services and jobs are not the same thing. Public services, you have every right to fight for. But jobs in a country like the Philippines is a very competitive thing. You have to be highly qualified, and you must be a team player so that you don’t cause a glitch at every single business decisions.
paulit-ulit na lang tayo Kutz.
ganito na lang, kung tingin mo, hindi masama yung ma-discriminate sa trabaho dahil sa iyong political color, e di hindi. but if such is a case, i certainly wouldn’t want to know what is not discrimination and what is.
inaantok na ko eh. pero here’s my parting words for now..
for all of you who have read or is reading these articles, DON’T take my word for it. do a research using independent sources, do not rely on the media alone.
i wish i would have the guts to say that “yes, i want gordon to win, only for the sole reason that if he does, i would then can say, i told you so,”
because with all honesty, if you guys have proven me wrong, then we and our country wins.
Why are you asking us to do a research on this and prove you wrong? You are the accuser, the burden of substantiating your accusation is with you.
I want you to convince me with proof, not just accusations. If you cannot back your accusations with solid evidence other than your own personal perception then take it back. It’s not right to accuse someone without proof, is it?
If I say, diktador si Gordon and then when asked, why do you say so, I will say because Buraot says so and I believe him because he and I met in blogosphere. What does that make of me?
What do you call a person who parrots everything that his groupmates say without thinking? Whatever it is, I don’t want to be called that.
like I said, DON’T take my word for it.
I actually like, “Kung ayaw nyo sa patakaran ko, lumayas kayo ng Olongapo!”. It implies that the leader is in control of his turf. I especially like his color coding and cracking down on passenger vehicle registration. It lowers the crime kasi alam kaagad kapag ginamit sa crime ang isang sasakyan. Di nga ba ang father ni Gordon inassasinate ng isang taong sakay ng kolorum na sasakyan tapos hindi again na solve yung crime? Dun nanggaling yung color coding idea nya. I thought it was brilliant.
It’s just like Rod Duterte’s “Bawal ang drug addict at walang disiplina sa Davao”. Pati mga politicians na hari hari sa kanilang mga bayan pagdating sa Davao tumitino. Pag sinabi ni Duterte na walang magpapaputok sa bagong taon sa Davao, he means it and everyone follows. He starts with every businessman na mahuling magtinda ng paputok!
It’s not different from Datu Toto’s “Bawal ang tamad sa Datu Paglas”… He was a very strong leader. He lead his town towards domination in banana production. He knew what he’s doing, his vision were clear, and he had a game plan. Too bad he passed on.
It’s no different from Alfredo Lim’s iron hand policies in closing down the red light district that was Ermita. When he personally nailed the doors to these bars…or cleared the squatter’s area in Globo de Oro and MLQU area.
Bottom line, I would not crucify a leader by his “slogans” or projected image, it’s all part of the job.
Kutz, it is not slogans. even if he yells, “I’m the king of the world!”. for all i care.
like you said, Duterte of Davao, Lim of Manila, Bayani of Marikina. yes they are great leaders, and I DO NOT say they’re not. in fact i do commend their great leadership and political will.
but my gist is their utter disregard for DUE PROCESS, which is essential to democracy. imagine having a big sign outside your door saying PUSHER AKO while you are not convicted of any crime? imagine being executed by death squads dahil makulit ka?
if we wanted discipline at the expense of due process, well then let’s go at it.
Well due process must be observed, I agree with that. When Lim spray painted the houses of the suspected drug dealer with “Pusher Ako”, people went to court and he was ordered to stop it and he did stop it. He was on the wrong side of the law initially but he did stop whe told by court to do so.
Here’s what I know though, visionary leaders with strong political will is what our country needs. IMHO, Manila was a lot better under Mayor Lim – I lived there during Bagatsing, Lim and Atienza – I can compare. Duterte may have a lot of accusations he’s dealing with but Dabawenos feel a lot safer under the Duterte terms than the other yahoos in the office – I have 4 siblings and many relatives there who will stand by Duterte’s ways.
Marikina was most popular for drugs, heinous crimes and massacres before Bayani stepped up his leadership. Lastly, Olongapo may just be another looted Clark if not for the will power of the people therein under the able leadership of Gordon.
hmmm…. I like!
“Here’s what I know though, visionary leaders with strong political will is what our country needs.”
yeah right.
tough visionary leaders who yes, they do the job done. but at what expense?
they knew that it’s against the law even before they started such. their credentials speak for themselves, they cannot use ignorance as an excuse. matitigas lang talaga ang ulo nila and they just wanted to force things.
alam mo nang mali, gagawin mo pa?
if that’s how you want for a leader, then okay, go spray everybody’s houses like what they did to the jews.
bakit hindi na nag reply yung author? Was it all accusations?
JM, sorry po, magkaiba ang mga timezones natin eh. eto nga kakagising ko lang, di pa ako nagtu-tubras. weheheheh.
Kutz (& Jet)
dito lang pala masisira ang peace treaty nyo ni Buraot hehehe! honestly, i am liking what i am reading. my family as in WE, lived in Zambales & Olongapo when I was little because my father worked for Acoje Mining then. but i have no clue nor memory nang buhay namen nun until we moved to bikol.
at any rate, i think i see two things. (1) an effective leader given that he delivered in terms of his objectives to his turf (2) who also perpetrated nepotism and curtailed certain rights
which in some ways is also similar (if I would believe the news i’ve read) to the Duterte’s in Davao in terms of disappearances. tapos na ba investigations nang CHR dun? so in Davao, you have peace and order but at what cost? di ba?
i remember the so many discussions about the Marcos dictatorship, that if it was not for Imelda, we would have been better off. i’d say forget Imelda, Marcos has a lot more unforgivable offenses.
if you’re reading my gist – simple – despite the “cost”, would Gordon be a “good dictator” to bring changes to the country?
Oops… forgot this one: and are the Filipinos willing to accept the cost?
exactly po Reynz.
i never questioned Dick’s leadership. lagi kong sinasabi yan. totoo namang magaling si Dick. the question remains: are we willing to accept the cost?
if people do accept it, i’m sorry i can’t. i’m a believer in due process. yes, matagal ang may due process, but that’s what democracy is all about.
ako, i accept it.
ok lang na may Duterte sa Davao.
ok lang na may Lim sa Manila.
ok lang na may Gordon sa Olongapo.
Pero parang ayoko ng ganitong klaseng tao sa Malakanyang.
Anong klaseng tao? Yung may political will na willing to make unpopular decisions for the sake of the common good? Ayaw mo ng ganun?
common good? wahahhah! you’re funny Kutz. common means means average or maybe the majority. not a single political group.
Let’s be objective for one sec here. Going back to buraot’s piece, what rights did Gordon curtail? Buraot’s accusation was that he didn’t get a job at Subic Bay Freeport because he is identified with the opposition. Was that Gordon’s personal decision? A business as big as SBMA doesn’t have an HR? I’m still waiting for a substantiated accusation. What right was violated? Is there such thing as Right to a Job that we applied for?
(me shield baka tamaan nang bato)
clarification:
the freedom i was talking about that was curtailed goes back to his Days in Olongapo Story, the right to free assembly somehow and the hospital incident where he had the problem given that he was identified not being a Gordon supporter. there’s fear factor involved and that’s what he constantly been saying :kung ayaw mo sum’tin sum;tin then you have to leave Olongapo – something to that effect. that athmosphere to me sounds like dictatorial – that’s what i was referring to.
~takbooo~
Their right to free assembly was not allowed doon sa premises for fear na ma compromise ang safety ng mga world leaders who attended. Si Dick Gordon ba talaga ang nag decide nun or si FVR? Or yung security agents ng ibat ibang bansa? Hmmm?
The hospital incident? Really? Are you holding Gordon accountable for the passionate words of the nurses and doctors in Olongapo? Seriously?
hay naku Kutz,
sabi ko nga dun sa wento ko. anlayo ng Cubi Point kung saan andun ang APEC leaders sa palengke ng Olongapo kung saan kami inambush. anong fear of getting compromised the security?
the hospital incident? hay naku…
wala naman akong sinabi na iniutos ni Dick Gordon na wag ako gamutin. di ko rin sinabing iniutos nya dun sa mga nars na kutyain ako.
do you think we have any proof of Marcos ordering the political suppression during the Martial Law days? all he did was order Martial Law. he never said to the military to idnap and torture civilians.
but i do understand where you guys are coming from. you never were in my shoes.
That issue should be answered by the security people, not Gordon. You are accusing the wrong person.
Besides, kahit na malayo pa yang sinasabi mo, may mga certain security radius na tinatawag lalo sa high level security. Normally depende yan sa range ng most powerful weapon available sa mga snipers or would-be assasins. Nung dumalaw ang santo papa sa Pinas, nasa Quirino grandstand ang misa pero sa Taft Avenue pa lang ang tindi na ng security. O davah, reasonable given na may assasination attempt na sa kanya noon, hehehehe.
okay Kutz..
if i go backwards and gave the SBMA the benefit of the doubt (not assuming of course that Gordon is at the helm), asking for your voter’s ID is not only unethical but discrimination as well. an individual’s political rights were violated.
there’s no such thing as a right to a job. but if a job was given with preference to a specific political group, that’s discrimination and in a sense, nepotism.
but if i don’t step backwards and think again that Gordon is at the helm, even his supporters knew that you don’t implement “rules” without the approval of the man. kundi yari ka. especially with a rule as discriminating as that.
put yourself in their shoes Kutz, not mine, but those people who were disenfranchised because they happen to support another candidate. you want to apply for a job that you are qualified for. pero dahil known supporter ka ng kabilang kampo, di ka pwede.
Looking for voter’s ID when applying for a job is unethical? How so? Eh di nga ba nung nawala ang US bases, takot na takot ang mga tao dahil over 40,000 jobs and mawawala? At ano ang pangako ni Gordon that time? If you support our idea of bases conversion into an economic zone, pangako ko sa inyo, priority ang mga taga Olongapo sa trabaho! Pero sabi ko nga, marami ring tga labas na na hire… pero the voter’s ID is to identify kung taga Gapo ka nga.
Hindi yan unique sa Gapo. When the people of a certain town in South Cotabato agreed to operating a mining industry in their land, isa sa mga kundisyon was: BIGYAN NG PRIORITY ANG MGA TAGA RITO. And how do they do that? Voter’s ID. What’s unethical with that?
Kaya disenfranchised sila ganun? Eh why ka nga maga apply for a job sa isang business establishment na inaayawan mo? Piktapos nilang magsisigaw sa kalye na tinututulan nila ang base conversion, maga apply sila ng job? Siguro kasi yung intent nila for applying was already questionable in the first place.
May mga trabaho ako na iniwan ko noong araw dahil sa hindi ako kumporme sa patakaran. But while you are within the system, huwag mong tirahin dahil parte ka pa rin eh. At lalong huwag mong titirahin ang isang institusyon na nagsisimula pa lang, tapos biglang kakabig ka’t mag aaply….
hay naku Kutz.
ibang isyu yung APEC mob dun sa pag-a-apply ng trabaho. alisin mo muna kasi ang biased mo. ako lang ba ang walang trabaho? ilang beses ko nang sinasabi, maraming local opposition ang walang trabahao at that time dahil oposisyon sila.
sbma is the main source of employment para sa mga local communities. pero ang sbma ay hindi pag-aari ni gordon o ninuman. at walang kinalaman ang political affiliation mo sa paghahanap ng trabaho.
like what i have been saying, pag ba nag-apply ako ng trabaho sa gobyerno na pinamumunuan ni GMA, bawal dahil si FPJ ang ikinampanya ko?
Praktikal lang ako, hehehehe. Bakit hindi mo ba iniexpect man lang na irereject talaga ang application mo given na vocal critic ka ng SBMA ideals na globalization and freepport economi zone? Do you expect these people to give you a job kung super identified ka nga sa pag aayaw sa mismong ideals ng globalization na pino promote ng SBMA?
it shold be answered by security persons? wahahahh! pata wa ka talaga Kutz. eh hindi naman security and dumale sa amin? hindi ba malinaw yung wento ko? ni hindi rin nga pulis eh.
mga mukhang matador sa palengke at mga tambay sa kanto na binayaran para gulpihin kami.
at andun ako nung dumalaw ang papa. meron bang nabugbog? yun bang mga maka-papa eh binugbog yung mga maka anti-papa?
wala po fafa.
Atchaka, hindi naman siguro sa political affiliations mo kay FPJ yun. Kung palagay mo eh talagang mas qualified ka kesa dun sa na hire sa posisyong inaplayan mo, baka lang kasi nagkatalo dun sa personal belief mo na ayaw mo sa globalization, global economy, at kung anik anik pang global, hehehehe.
Problema sa mga kwento mo, walang proof. You want us to take your word for it. Gusto mong maniwala kaming kagagawan ni Gordon, binayaran ni Gordon ang mga sanggano para bugbugin kayo, sinabihan ni Gordon ang HR na huwag kang i hire sa trabaho, and so on.
Yoko nga maniwala… convince mo muna ako with proofs, hehehe. Kung hindi patuloy na mamamayani ang mga katanungan sa aking abang isipan, HAHAHAHAHA!
kutz, di naman investment analyst ang inaaplayan ko ano. and your over-all tone of “it’s not Gordon, it’s his supporters or someone else”?
hay naku, tell it to those human rights victims that it’s not Marcos, it’s Ver.
same thing.
like I said, redundant na. doble doble pa. pls refer to my other comments. i am not asking anybody, let alone you, to believe me. hindi ko naman sa yo ikinukwento eh. kasi pag s Gordon supporter ka nagkwento, kahit na anong sabihin mo, walang uubra.
on the APEC mob issue, there’s a fotage of GMA7 and other media sources that it did happen. kung ayaw mo maniwala, ok lang. do i care? but of course you would argue that still, it’s not Gordon’s fault. kaw naman, go back to the 2nd paragraph pls.
on the employment issue, i can give you names of people who suffered the same. i can even give you their contact details, so you can ask them personally. but then again, would you believe them?
i don’t think so.
so quit pretending that you would believe because you won’t.
Yun na nga Ateng eh… Que donde esta evidencias? Mahirap magbato ng accusations kasi the burden of proof lies on the accusers, hehehehe… Kaming mga defense team…ala, rebuttal lang, hahaha!
There’s fear mongering tone all over the piece. Ganito ang dating ng sulating pangwakas ni Buraot, o:
“Gordon will be a dictator, he was a dictator in Olongapo because:
even if he exercised leadership and mobilized the people so that Subic will not suffer the same fate as Clark;
even if he scouted the world in frenzy and pooled together the minds of young Filipinos and came up with SBMA – a freeport that will allow the city to create 100,000 jobs after losing over 40,000 jobs when the Americans left, no he is still a dictator.
It is because when he succeeded in hosting the APEC participated in by world leaders, HE DIDN’T ALLOW US TO YELL ON THE STREETS AND PROTEST AGAINST APEC. (It might compromise the security of the world leaders, for pete’s sake!)
And when I personally applied in Subic (why apply after proclaiming that you are against the idea of a freeport in the first place,hmmmm, intent is questionable~~ amininnn), I accuse him of dictatotial and nepotism because I didn’t get the job!.”
Da heck?! Overall, sa mga mapanuring mata ng nag iisip, the assetions do not make sense at all. I’m sorry.
walang masama na maging priority ang mga locals when it comes to getting a job. that is quite obviously ETHICAL and right. pero yung piliin mo yung mga hindi bumoto sa yo, eh yun, mali naman yun. kung para sa yo, tama yun, eh dihindi ko na alam kung anong tama sa mali.
lahat ng arguments mo, nasagot na sa ibang threads. no need to type it anymore, if you want, cut and paste mo na lang.
wala akong sinabing huwag nyong iboto si Gordon. i am merely stating my experiences and opinions on what happened. kung tingin mo, si Gordon pa rin ang iboboto mo, wala namang pumipigil sa yo.
but don’t be sorry Kutz. i hate to say this, but you were a Gordon supporter from the start. I am not a Gordon supporter from the start. so whatever I say will definitely be unwelcome to your ears.
if these doesn’t make sense to you, to be honest, it doesn’t make sense to me too. but try going to Olongapo and publicly campaign for Gordon’s rivals, then apply at City Hall. (wag na sa sbma kasi di naman na sya ang boss dun)
Very common yan kahit saan sa mundo. Pag may power ka as HR hire mo talaga ang mga taong alam mong may “K” at susuporta sa iyong pamamalakad at reject mo yung mga alam mong malingat ka lang konti eh tutuklawin ka davah? Kumbaga wala sa best interest ng business ang imong byuti at that time kasi nga kritiko ka ng globalizeyshun, hehehehe.
The manager should make sure that all the employees are on board the company mission/vision para smooth sailing ang pamamalakad, davah?
i’m sorry Kutz. but either don’t explain myself clearly or you just don’t wanna see it.
and it is not “common” in the world. and if it is in fact “common”among our government agencies, don’t you think we should put an end to it?
take your eyes off me. look at the other Olongapenos who doesn’t care about globalization yet failed to get a job simply because they voted for the other candidate.
the issue is not the mission vision achuchuchu of the company. it simply had become politicized. and it is simply wrong.
and at this point, i don’t even care if you think it’s right.
Reynz,
I am willing to embrace a good dictator that would bring real changes to the country, one with political will to enforce the needed discipline and order…. although I don’t completely buy Buraot’s sweeping charges of nepotism (with mere generalizations and/or even personal experiences).
What is the costs of having weak, vaccillating presidents? Increasing poverty and the dwindling middle class…
Even Sionil Jose in his recent Hindsight article was advocating having a dictator, as long as he/she is “development-focused”… further adding that “economic development is a precondition for democratization.” “The people must first be fed before they can appreciate freedom”.
I prefer Johnonymous explanation below. This is Buraot’s own experience, it’s his own and I cannot question what he went through because clearly, I have no clue how to be in his shoes. To me, it’s enlightening to find out what transpired based on his own accounts. That’s his and his alone and despite the heated arguments of these friends of mine, I believe Buraot’s accounts.
I don’t have any question really on you quoting Sionil. It’s really simple – put food on the table and there will be no reklamo. People are happy. If there is none, it’s chaos.
But far as “good dictator” is concerned, maybe a society as fragmented as the Philippines which is so broken from soul to eternity deeply embedded is such a quagmire of corruption that I see no end just might need one – however, a dictator is a dictator is a dictator – how much are we willing to surrender to have order in society and good economic development that benefits the majority depends really on what it is that’s NOT important to us and if the majority is ready. For me? I don’t know how much I’m willing to surrender. I have been pampered. hehehe
Jet,
i used to have the same sentiments like Sionil. who wouldn’t? nakakasawa naman talaga ang ganitong sistema di ba? it seems like we need to have a strong ruler, a dictator. but an enlightened one.
but how are we gonna know if he really is enlightened?
people need to be fed before they can appreciate freedom. that’s a god statement too. but it simply goes against our common democratic ideals. why should freedom be hostage in exchange to our need to eat?
what we need is a “change in men” not by force, but by education. we need to educate people, and we need to grow and mature politically.
quite frankly, this trapo system is pulling our feet back to the dark ages.
I would definitely choose a strong dictator than a weak president sorrounded by faceless, nameless “dictators” all advancing their own personal and business interests…
In short BURAOT, not to take away from your own experiences but look at it from a bigger context, GORDON while imperfect is the Right Leader our Country needs at this juncture….
Jett, you’re quite obviously barking at the wrong tree. hindi ako pro-noynoy. and yes, i do get it. you want Gordon to be canonized as well. sure. of course.
saka, too late the hero ka na. tapos na ang bugbugan. where were you Jett when we needed you?
tag team ba kayo? napagod yung isa ikaw naman? wahahah!
sorry Jet, wala ng juice dito, now kung gusto mo pa ring pigain, it’s totally up to you, i’m just here naman.
“i never questioned Dick’s leadership. lagi kong sinasabi yan. totoo namang magaling si Dick. the question remains: are we willing to accept the cost?” – buraot
hey everyone…
i have questions too:
are we willing to accept the cost of having the same old system, election after election?.
…and here’s another one:
when do you think will we be ready to man up and finally respect rules; 12, 18, 24 years?
i am an OFW and i’ve noticed that although some of my freedoms are curtailed by the law of the land (i live and work in the UAE), my standard of living more than makes up for what i’ve lost. is this really something we’re not ready for? and as you said, “totoo namang magaling si Dick.” are we really choosing other candidates over gordon because he is too ‘magaling’? mind you, i haven’t decided who to vote for yet. i just found the line of reasoning of this post a bit peculiar. anyone out there care to enlighten me?
Kahlil,
i never said he is “too magaling”. i merely stated the fact that most Gordon fans always argue for: that he is a good leader. Like pretty much some of us here agree, his style is the same as Lim of Manila, Duterte of Davao, Bayani of Marikina.
nobody said following the rules is bad. on fact we SHOULD follow the rule of law. but not a particular person’s idea of law. it’s different.
we all want a better country we could be proud of. and we all agree that our country and ourselves collectively needed discipline. but not at the expense of our civil rights. democracy, we should remember, have no shortcuts.
we have better options.
hello
well, maybe i added ‘too’ but you did say in one of your comments na “…magaling si Dick.” so what do you really think about Gordon?
also, i might not know anything about Lim or Bayani, but what’s wrong with Duterte? is it about his ‘Death Squad?’ well in that case, someone should sue him and present proper evidence in the court of law. that’s how due process is supposed to be, right?
and yeah, we SHOULD follow the rules… but we don’t anyway, so tough luck. somebody has to be there and be stern, one who carries a big stick and is ready to use it when necessary.
and again, my question: are we willing to accept the cost of having the same old system, election after election?.
“Kung ayaw nyo sa patakaran ko, lumayas kayo ng Olongapo!” this line pretty much goes along with how it is like here in the UAE; if you can’t live without your so called ‘freedom’ and ‘civil liberties’ then you should leave.
Kahlil, i already said my piece about Gordon. pls refer to my earlier statement.
regarding Duterte, pls don’t turn the tables on the issue of DUE PROCESS. like you said, we need to present evidence in a court of law, right? well, those victims, unfortunately cannot present evidence anymore about their innocence. THEY’RE DEAD!
maybe you could care to read again me few articles where it’s as clear as the skies above you, i never had a problem with discipline and the rule of law.
your last statement clearly shows your political color. you mean, pag hindi ako sumunod sa sinabi ng lider, even though i am not in favor of what he said, i leave?
i have one word for you: WOW.
hey buraot
ok, i take it you really don’t like Gordon and since i haven’t yet decided who to vote for so we’ll leave it at that.
and yeah, regarding Duterte, Due Process means innocent until proven guilty. that basically means he’s innocent.
i don’t really know what you mean by political color but yeah, i do believe that if you can’t take the heat, then get out of the kitchen. otherwise, pick the right leader that’ll suit you fine. isn’t that what we’ve always been doing?
and yet again, my question: are we willing to accept the cost of having the same old system, election after election?.
kahlil,
i am not telling you or anyone not to vote for Gordon. you are free to vote for whoever you want to choose.
and please quit putting the “spin” on the issue of due process.
get out of the kitchen? for your information, in case you didn’t know, that kitchen belongs to me and the rest of the Filipinos, regardless of who they voted for, simply if not only because i am a citizen and am paying for my taxes.
your last question? ikaw na lang ang sumagot because you’re getting too redundant na eh. but if you ask me about the system, my answer is NO. and para mas sumaya ka, dadagdagan ko pa ang sagot. IT DOES NOT MATTER kahit na sinong iupo mo dyan dahil the system is flawed.
me tanong ka pa? baka naman pwede bagong tanong naman.
and quite obviously, by experiences I have had, hindi ko na type si Gordon, dati oo. hindi ba OBVIOUS dito sa article?
@Buraot-
Ikaw itong super proponent ng due process but in your book, you have convicted these leaders – Gordon, Fernando, Lim, and Dutertte of human rights violations without substantiating your claim or a priviledge of trial. Your only proof so far is your personal experience in re- job application. Your beef should be against the Subic Bay freeport HR, not then chairman Gordon.
Kahlil,
i, like you and everybody else, have the right to criticise my government. kasama yun sa democratic process natin. i have convicted them without a trial? wahahah! that’s a funny statement.
i tried suing the Gordon for human rights violation, if that’s you’re asking me. like Kutz said, Lim was sued as well. some people have done their part. the courts? no comment. let’s just say that none of the Marcoses went to jail right?
and fyi, hindi lang naman yung job application ang gist dito. hindi lang yung “ako” ang walang trabaho at that time, marami din ang wala. i am not saying these because of my ‘jobless’ state back then. it is the jobless state of A LOT OF PEOPLE in Olongapo. and all because they happen to support the other candidates.
saying this is a gist against the SBMA’s HR back then is oversimplifying. the HR chief, as well as any other chief, reports to its head and would not implement such, should I say, unique but very discriminating policies.
hey buraot
dude, i’m not putting the spin on due process. From what my education tells me, that’s what due process is: innocent until proven guilty.
hmmn… i thought you said he was a good leader.
“i never questioned Dick’s leadership. lagi kong sinasabi yan. totoo namang magaling si Dick. the question remains: are we willing to accept the cost?” – buraot
you’re funny buraot
and see, that’s the problem: the kitchen belongs to you but everybody else has rights over the kitchen too, just like you. unfortunately for you, you need a leader to run the kitchen properly for everybody’s sake. if you don’t like the leader, then step out
Kahlil,
nasagot ko na yan. the kitchen belongs to me and the people. yes, i need a good chef to manage it. but for crying out loud, imagine hiring your own chef who just wanted to throw you out?
wow, i surely wouldn’t want to venture into your kitchen.
There is no such thing as absolute right, Buraot. Your right ends when its exercise affects the right of other people.
For example, we have every right to throw punches… You can throw punches for all I care and the law will not hold you accountable for throwing ten million punches. But your right to throw punches ends when it affects the right of my face to be beautiful, you know what I;m saying? When your exercise of your right to throw punches hits me in the face and interreferes with the right of my face to be beautiful, you committed a crime.
Going back to your right to apply for a job, you were not prevented from doing that, right? Your right to get that job ends when the HR exercised the right of his office to hire someone else, heheheh. Yun lang yun.
I have reservation that Gordon and Fernando will win the election; it might take a miracle given the political machinery and capability of LP and NPC. However, there is no need to trash the leadership of a man and substantiating your accusation with nothing but sourgrapes for not getting a job you applied for or barred from screaming on the streets during the APEC.
Kutz,
who says applying for a job is an absolute right? but when a hiring process limits an organizations (and a public one at that) and favors a specific group, that’s discrimination.
and that APEC mob? that;s another story. and i already told you that.
calling my stories sour-graping, no offense here, is pathetic. it’s like telling a rape victim it’s their fault for being raped.
Fact number 1:
You have not established that you are a victim.
Fact number 2:
You have not established that Gordon is a dictator and that it was his personal decision to bar you from assembly during the APEC.
Fact number 3:
There is no proof in any form, shape or size that shows you were not hired at SBMA because of your political affiliation. You didn’t even know who they hired in lieu of your alindog and how qualified is that person.
Fact number 4:
You have not proven that the mobs who harassed you were paid for by Gordon. They could just be equally passionate pro SBMA organization.
Fact number 5:
If they were vindictive, they would not have treated your wounds in a government hospital in Ologapo when you were hurt.
Fact number 6:
Being assertive and straigtforward does not equate to dictatorship.
The case lacks merit so I find the accused (Gordon) NOT GUILTY! Case dismissed, that is all, the court is adjourned.
Kutz,
Fact #1: You did not read the whole entry.
Fact #2: Nobody had proof that Marcos committed human rights violations
Fact #3: I am but one among the Olongapenos who got discriminated against.
Fact #4: Yes, they did paid the mob. PLs read the corresponding entry.
Fact #5: Again, please read the corresponding entry
bonus:
Fact #6: you were a rabid Gordon supporter masquerading as trying to weigh the issues, whereas in fact, you already had your biases even before you read my entries.
If this case lacks merits, then why do Gordon supporters like you are wasting your time arguing for it?
what’s funny though, is that however way we argue, and however great Gordon is in your eyes, he ain’t gonna win, is he?
and that was just too bad.
Oh I agree, it’s almost impossible. I do have reservation that Gordon will win. He just does not have the political machinery.
Me? A rabid Gordon supporter? I don’t know what you mean by rabid but yes, I am a Gordon fan and supporter and I made an informed decision. I was quite vocal with that from the start, way before your Olongapo stories, hehehe.
Please step back a little bit and take a second look at what you just wrote:
“Fact #1: You did not read the whole entry” – DOES THIS SOUND LIKE A FACT TO YOU? IT’S AN UNSUBTANTIATED ACCUSATION, YOU CAN NEVER PROVE IT, HEHEHEHEHE…. binasa ko ha, now it’s your word against mine~~
“Fact #2: Nobody had proof that Marcos committed human rights violations” – WRONG AGAIN, HEHEHEHE, CHECK MO ANG SENATE BILL NUMBER 1745, O DAVAH COMPENSATION SA MGA HUMAN RIGHTS VICTIMS OF MARCOS REGIME. PAG KAYA MONG I PROVE, MAY HUSTISYA, PAG WALANG PROOF, PAGDUDUDAHAN KANG MAY OTHER MOTIVE or NANINIRA LANG.
“Fact #3: I am but one among the Olongapenos who got discriminated against.” DONDE ESTA YOUR EVIDENCE? KAHIT LINK LANG SA INTERNET NG MGA OLONGAPENOS NA NAGPAPATUNAY NA NA DISCRIMINATE SILA, pleaseeeee????
“Fact #4: Yes, they did paid the mob. PLs read the corresponding entry.” I DID. IT WAS EITHER TESTIMONIAL OR HEARSAY SO I DON’T BUY IT, SORRY.
Fact #5: Again, please read the corresponding entry. YUP, I DID.
bonus:
Fact #6: you were a rabid Gordon supporter masquerading as trying to weigh the issues, whereas in fact, you already had your biases even before you read my entries. GORDON ADMIRER LANG AKO ANG I DECIDED TO VOTE FOR HIM. PERO YOU KNOW, THERE’S STILL TWO MONTHS TO CONVINCE ME AND SO FAR YOU’RE NOT DOING A GOOD JOB, HEHEHEHE. AKO RABID? HAHAHAHA, I DUNNO, TANONG KO SA DOCTOR KO. DI NAMAN BUMUBULA ANG MOUTH KO AT DI AKO TAKOT SA LIWANAG KAYA HINDI SIGURO~~~UYY, ANOTHER WRONGFUL ACCUSATION SA IMO, HEHEHEHE.
If this case lacks merits, then why do Gordon supporters like you are wasting your time arguing for it? BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT IT LACKS MERIT! KASI NGA DAVAH MAY MGA TAONG KAILANGAN MAPALIWANAGAN NG MAIGE, HEHEHEHE, NA PAG MAY ACCUSATION KA, AT ILALAGAY MO SA WORLD WIDE WEB FOR THE WHOLE WORLD TO READ, EH DAFAT HANDA KANG PANGATAWANAN AT SUPORTAHAN NG ABIDENSYA BAWAT AKUSASYON MO.
*note: use of all caps in this comment does not mea yelling. I just wanted to differentiate the fonts… I would have used color kaso naubusan ako ng jobos, sowee*
Kutz,
you have the whole of Olongapo as proof. if you want proof, go there. but see, i’ll just use your own argument and say, “well, sue me.”
and don’t worry about the jobos, you don’t need it, your color clearly shows even without one.
hehehehe, rule ng argumentation 101:
Attack the issue, not the person. Ang pikon ay laging talo. I kaw ang nagsulat, ikaw ang responsible to back your claims.
rules rules. wahahah! di ako pikon. baka ikaw. don’t you think petty na.
like i said, DON’T take my word for it. do I need to say it over and over?
Hey, great post and vid, B. Didn’t know about that case that JC de los Reyes filed…
Reynz, absolutely agree. Effective on a small-scale but problematic in terms of human rights…
Not sure with Noynoy, but I can see that conversely he is “effective in terms of human rights but problematic on the big-scale”… and that is my beloved Philippines there…
yes Lila, JC is a good man. unfortunately, he got Gordon as his middle name.
i think he filed several charges with the Ombudsman, one was the missing millions of funds paid by the public to the city-owned power utilities but were never remitted to the National Power Corp., and one something about the garbage fee.
i will check with my friends in gapo for the details.
TIGILAN NYO NA IYAN!
PARA SA AKIN SAPAT NA.
SI GORDON, ISANG MALAKING BABOY NG OLONGAPO… ok???
WHY WOULD HE ALLOW TO HAVE ESTABLISHMENTS UNDER HIS CLAN NAME? Palengke, barangay? WTF?
WAS THIS ETHICAL?
WAS THIS CONCEIVE WITH PURITY AND HONESTY? HUMILITY?
EGO BOOSTER I GUESS.
WHY IS HE ALSO A PART OF THIS UNDESIRABLE POLITICAL SITUATION CALLED “TRAPO”
IM SURE GORDON IS AWARE OF THIS.
BURAOT’S STORY IS ONE OF THE MANY FLAWS OF OLONGAPO. MARAMI PANG IBA I’M SURE.
JUST SUCK IT! NAKIKIBASA LANG TAYO.
AND FIRSTLY, BURAOT OWNS THAT EXPERIENCE THAT HE SHARED US. A VERY INTIMATE EXPERIENCE THAT IS REALLY DIFFICULT FOR US TO DISPUTE.
KAYA, SA AKIN LANG MAKI-BASA NA LANG.
WAG NA TAYO MAG-AKSAYA SA MGA PAGTATALO NA WALANG PATUTUNGUHAN.
PAGYAMANIN ANG ISIPAN SA MGA NAPUPULOT SA ATING KAPWA.
BOW!
John,
Nagluluto si Lee ng sinigang dun sa kawa ng Barrio. Hehhehe.
Humigop ka nga muna ng sabaw dine.
Good idea! Sinigang na Gordon!
hahahaha…
Okay, BURAOT… I need verification…
Kung isa kang taga-Olongapo… sino si Daddy-daddy?
John,
Sinigang na baboy nga ang luto ni Parekoy Lee. Ayun busy sa kusina, hindi makacomment dito sa Barrio. Hahhahahha.
Johnonymous,
tambay po si daddy-yo dun sa may main gate. meron na rin syang facebook account lam mo? suki ko yun bigyan ng barya o kaya kahit anong tsitsirya.
at peborit kong kumain dun sa goto-gate kasi katabi lang sya ng funeraria. rapsadudels.
wahahahah!
Uyyyy galit si Johnonymous, hehehehe…. Wala kang disclaimer na hindi ka sumisigaw kaya I therefore conclude that since you use all caps, you are screaming, hehehehe.. Remember, ang mga wrinkles, mahal ang botox….
Eh di naman sa dinidispute ko yung experience ni Buraot… dinidispute ko lang yung ini establish nyang linkage between his experience and the supposed dictatorship ni Gordy. Hindi sa I don’t believe him, kaya lang kasi kung hihimayin mo, hindi na factual yung ibang sinasabi kundi opinion, perception at interpretation na lang niya sa mga nangyari at sa ganang akin pilit nyang nililink ke Papa Gordy. Saka oist, yung first three sulating pangwakas niya, experience nya yun… eto hindi na kasi may mga other things na about Gordon’s roots atbp, davah?
Okay lang naman kay Buraot ang mga westyon ko ah… Sinasagot nga nya eh. Huwag mapipikon kasi tha’s not how you convince the undecideds to go with your candidates.
Maganda paminsan minsan yung nagtatalo kasi dun mo nakikita ang mga punto de vista ng isa’t isa. Ako naman (saka maybe yung ibang readers dito) kahit Gordy fan ako eh pwede pa rin akong i convince… yun nga lang kailangan relevant lang sa qualification, political will, experience, achievements, ng kandidato ang ipapakita. Sagrado ang boto ko – mag dadrive pa ako ng apat na oras papuntang embassy sa LA para lang bomoto…. kaya kailangan para sa da best lang talaga mapupunta, heheheh.
Hindi ako galit sa yo Kutz! hehehehe… papansin lang yung all caps ko. hahahaaha.
It’s hard to question what Buraot has gone through. Whether it’s true or not, it’s hard for all of us to ask.
This is a life-changing experience for him. Putok nga ulo nya dito eh.
Besides my sympathy, knowing solid facts that places and institutions being “Gordonized” in Olongapo. It’s simple question of ethics.
And this “Gordonization” has also affected local people’s mindset at lumalabas na ang mga opposition ay talagang sasamain kung lantaran kang tututol.
I do not really appreciate these facts attached to Richard Gordon. After all, he is not a royalty and nobody’s supposed to be royalties in our constitution.
Olongapo is not Gordon’s bitch.
Like I said, it’s not the experience I;m questioning. It’s the linkage between his personal experinece and Papa Gordy. I couldn’t find such link. Pero meron pa naman tayong ibang pupwedeng pag usapan like Gordy’s achievements as Tourism secretary, Red Cross chair, SBMA brainchild, etc.
Kaya lang the more na pinag uusapan natin sya, mas lalong dadami ang makakaalam sa galing ng management style nya. Saka maraming makakabasa sa mga experiences at track record nya as an executive. Di katulad ng mga ibang tumatakbo na legislation na nga lang ang experience, lackadaisical pa, hmp!
Hindi si Noynoy ha, si ano, si Jamby, heheheheh… Si Noynoy sikat naman eh (tuwing may kaaway si Kris)! JOKJOKBOLANTIII!
*falalalala lala la laaaa*
ateng kutz,
nabalitaan mo na ba na si jocjoc bulate este bolante e tatakbong gobernador sa capiz??
ayun ang question ng ethics…kung pinayagan ng comelec na tumakbo ang animales na yan, its like condoning corruption and allowing innocent lives to be taken tulad kay esperat.
Bolante is a true shame and why Comelec even approved his candidacy is beyond eternal norms of decency. But it’s not just Bolante. I read that one of those Euro Generals also run. Grrr!
Kutz,
you are not a judge where i have to prove legal basis and prima facie evidence. for one, i am not here to convince anyone, not you of all people.
i gave a personal narrative on my personal experiences in Olongapo. if you have experiences in olongapo or with the Gordons that is quite contrary to mine, well, it’s your story not mine.
do not, as you pretty much always do, take the bigger perspective and zoom it into my experiences alone. people in olongapo, not just me, have suffered more than me. they had no idea about globalization, they just hope to support a rival candidate.
your argument that since i am not in favor of globalization and therefore should not expect to get a job in a freeport is simply ARROGANT. you’re telling me to give up my rights so I could have my family something to eat?
honestly, i don’t have to. i can aford it. but how about those poor Olongapenos who couldn’t? they had no choice but give it up because they don’t have a choice.
now before you spin it, let me give you a clear analogy that you would surely understand…
say i’m your student. you decided to implement a rule in your classroom that i am not in favor of because it curtails my rights. you’re gonna tel me “kung ayaw mo sa rules ko, lumayas ka sa classroom ko?”
and me not having a choice, come exam time, you would deny me access simply for the reason that i don’t agree with you?
i pity those students. this early, they already are poised to learn what tyranny is all about.
you and your fellow Gordon really should go together. after all, birds of the same.. well, you know what i mean.
@ Buraot,
You said:
“you are not a judge where i have to prove legal basis and prima facie evidence. for one, i am not here to convince anyone, not you of all people.”
You are writing and posting claims in a blogsite for the whole world to read and you don’t expect anyone to question you? What does your claims have to do with my classroom management skills? Mabait ako sa students ko ha, as in, tanong mo pa sa mga binabagsak ko, hihihi. They prefer to repeat the class with me still HAHAHAHAHAH! This year I have 5 of mylast year’s bagsaks in my class.
Hindi naman hard evidence ask ko sa iyo eh, pwede na circumstantial, hehehehe.. huwag lang puro perception and opinion that you are passing on as facts. Hindi ba nga dito sa blog pag may nagclaim na kesyo graduate sila nga journalism, may masters degree at mega embellish ng mga credentials di ba hinahanapan natin ng katibayan ang kanilang mga claims? O di ba wala naman masama dun… hinhanap ko yung factual support sa claims mong kagagawan ni Gordon kaya ka nabugbog or di natanggap sa trabaho, etc.
You also said:
“i gave a personal narrative on my personal experiences in Olongapo”
Nope, ang kabuoan ng sulating pangwakas na ito ay hindi mo personal experiences. Yung nakaraan may mga personal experiences ka pero mas marami ang personal perception at opinion mo. Magkaiba yun ha.
Hayan ka na naman Kutz, putting a spin on my words. sabi sa yo mag-quit ka sa teaching, mag PR ka na lang.
did i say never to question my post? what i said is that i don’t expect people like you nor anybody else to believe me. that’s different.
of course at the end of the narrative, a person comes up with his own opinions and perceptions of things based on his/her own experiences. but i don’t have to tell you that, right?
anyway, just this once, i must admit, GORDON IS SO LUCKY TO HAVE YOU. imagine, di ka pa natutulog just so you can bug me?
wahahahh! hanef!
typical.
Ateng Silvericious-
Wa ko knowz si Jokjokbulanti, hehehehe. Like ko lang gamitin yung name nya in place sa CHAROT para maiba naman, heheheh.
Sabi mo pero:
“kung pinayagan ng comelec na tumakbo ang animales na yan, its like condoning corruption and allowing innocent lives to be taken”
Well, Silver sweetie, thats the price we have to pay for freedom – we have to have due process. Ang due process hindi lang para sa mahihirap, para rin sa mayayaman, huhuhu! Innocent until proven guilty.
Isn’t it amazing how some of us are so quick at “convicting” the politicians (esp Papa Gordy) sa mga kasamaang palad na dumapo sa atin kahit wala naman tayong katibayan na kagagawan nila yun?
ok Kutz, we get you. you’re solid Gordon. we get it.
but pati ba naman si Bolante, you think innocent? wow. that clearly says something about you. you really are something. i wouldn’t be surprised that the Ampatuans would be innocent in your book as well. you clear them all via technicality.
that’s just.
@ Buraot-
Oh thanks for the concern. I slept for 4 hours lang. I am on Spring break, hehehe. AND I was working on my comprehensive problem set sa business research and statistics kaya mistulang di ako natutulog. Ganun ako pag determined to reach a goal – I can juggle and multi task if I need to. If I get a couple of hous of nap here and there, it’s fine with me.
To answer your question, no I would not deny a student’s access to exam, just like you were not denied to access the application process. Hindi ko nga lang sure kung papasa yung student, depende sa result ng exam saka past performance nya. In the same way na hindi rin assurance na porke nag apply ka eh matatanggap ka – depende sa credentials, qualification, and your ability to get on board sa vision/mision ng business.
4 hours of sleep? and you’re working on something? careful, sometimes lack of sleep can certainly cloud one’s judgment.
you mean even if your student passed your exam with high marks, bagsak pa rin kasi he/she don’t agree with you?
see how similar you are with your papa Gordy? they didn’t deny application to anybody, they just hire somebody else. even if that person is fully qualified.
Maybe it says, I talk the talk and walk the walk, Buraot?
You are the one who is preaching ayaw kay Papa Gordy dahil “dictator” mawawalan ng due process, etchos.
Eh we cannot have selective application of the law. Ang due process pag inaply mo sa mahihirap, mapipilitan tayong i apply sa mga mayayaman at powerful. That’s the sad fact about due process.
My opinion about Bolanti and the Ampatuans are immaterial and irrelevant. I do have my opinions of them. I hope the prosecution will do a good job because there were several pieces of damning evidence. But in the eyes of justice, they are innocent until proven guilty – kaya nga may piring si lady justice eh. At the end of the day, opinions don’t matter. Only the evidences will – hard or circumstantial. That is the essence of the freedom and democracy and due process that we so passionately try to defend.
Remember: Hindi pwedeng selective application ng batas at due process. Are you saying convict na lang natin sila through “trial by publicity”? Mas lalong dangerous kasi mas lalong mahihirap ang maapi.
Kutz,
i have been walking the walk for quite sometime now, Kutz. that statement is now a question on my person, don’t you think? ibang level na yan ha? if you want to raise the stakes, ok lang.
selective application on laws? why don’t you spit it out on Gordon himself? and due process for mayayamans? wahahahha! were were you this past few years?
the only hope for justice lies not with the courts, but with the media and any other place of public opinion.
you were obviously hallucinating. try to get some more sleep, you need it.
“you mean even if your student passed your exam with high marks, bagsak pa rin kasi he/she don’t agree with you?”
No, that’s not what I mean. If the student’s grades are passing, they pass the class. If they fail, they fail. I don’t make grades, I simply keep a record of them. Grades is something that they earn in class and it has several components other than exam. There is not extra credit for agreeing with me nor is there a point deducted for not agreeing. it’s rating by merit.
Parang sa job application mo… Kung katulad ko yung HR na humawak sa application mo, titingnan ko talaga kung qualified ka. Kung yun educational background at experience mo ba eh tugma sa posisyon na inaplayan mo. And then interview kita bago ako gagawa ng decision.
kasi Kutz, you’re confusing yourself with what i’m trying to say. matulog ka muna kasi.
the given was that an applicant who had campaign for Gordon’s rivals wouldn’t get a job because of his political affiliation. he had the qualification much more than his co-applicant who fortunately had supported the Gordon’s candidacy.
at di naman ako eng eng to apply for a job na hindi ako qualified. why would I do that?
and again, quit zooming the issue on me, zoom it on a larger scale than me, the people of Olongapo who suffered the same fate.
but then again, you wouldn’t because all you would do is try to negate anything that would make your Papa Gordon look bad.
again, my advise, just do PR.
hay naku, some people just don’t wanna see it. you sounds like some atheists i know. they want solid proof material evidence to prove that something really exists.
i ask you then, do you think Gloria is corrupt? of course based on your arguments, she’s not because she was not proven to be so in a court of law, right?
well, i got nothing more to say then.
Ateng Kutz,
~wag ka muna manabunot sa akin, bagong rebond ako. LOL~
Si jokjok bulanti e yun yung promotor ng fertilizer fund scam na namigay ng pondo-necious sa mga politiko-ness na hindi napakinabangan ng mga farmers para sa kanilang farmville.
Ang tanong kasi sa utak ko ateng: meron pa bang politikong transparent? E kasi naman, puro questionable at di kapanipaniwala ang nakikita ko eh. Baka kako kelangan ko lang ng antiparang malinaw kesa sa suot ko ngayon (tumaas na kasi ang grado ng mata ko.)
Buraot said:
“the only hope for justice lies not with the courts, but with the media and any other place of public opinion.”
So hindi ka pala talaga believer ng due process. Okay na pala sa iyo na walang due process, trial by publicity na laang at court of public opinion. Nalito tuloy si Kahlil kasi sabi mo and I quote:
“we all want a better country we could be proud of. and we all agree that our country and ourselves collectively needed discipline. but not at the expense of our civil rights. democracy, we should remember, have no shortcuts.”
How contradictory sa sinabi mo lately na:
“the only hope for justice lies not with the courts, but with the media and any other place of public opinion.”
You said walang shortcut yet you are willing to convict or accuse people on the court of public opinion. Yoko na. Kutz is signing out and moving on to the less interesting spreadsheets and other homeworks from school, waaaaahhhhh!
are you going nitpicking again?!
ikaw lang naman ang nag-magnify ng due process. like i said in an earlier comment, if you say Gloria is not corrupt because she’s not proven to be so in any court of law, well, this is free country. and you are free to hallucinate all you want. besides, you wouldn’t see it even if it hits you in the face.
but whatever i say, you won’t accept it anyway, so why ask for more explanation? no need to expound further kutz.
sabi sa yo puyat lang yan eh. itulog mo lang yan.
buraot,
“the only hope for justice lies not with the courts, but with the media and any other place of public opinion.”
WOW i see where you’re coming from dude. and there goes democracy, right out of the window. now i understand. so much for due process, tsk tsk tks
haysts! let me put in my 1.01 cents because i can’t take this no more hahaha
““the only hope for justice lies not with the courts, but with the media and any other place of public opinion.””
sabi nga discern, discern, discern.
based on his story that everyone is under Gordon, his statement reflects ang walang tiwala sa system dahil even if he expects due process, he ain’t gonna get it under Gordons system. that’s how i read it – kaya his last hope is simply to get justice sa media.
hay Kahlil,
ikaw ha? ang aga mong pumasok dito sa klase pero di ka nakikinig? kung kelan tapos na ang kumperensya saka ka hihirit. nakatulog ka ba sa gitna ng bangayan? hindi mo ba nasundan ang telenovela?
dahil dyan sa sinabi mo, may nag-text! ayaw magpakilala, pero ang sabi,
“ho-hummm.”
buraot, reynz
sorry i’m late, time difference i guess? ok, so i’ll butt out for now. thanks for having me though
till next time everyone.
Kahlil,
kaw naman, tampo ka kaagad. pwede pang humabol. buhay pa naman ako eh. hehehhe.
hehehe (with shield pa rin) hahah
lahat ata nang kanto nang barrio me away hehehe busy! punong puno.
si Lila me kaaway sa kabilang kanto
si Trixie me kaaway den sa kabilang kanto
ako me kaaway ako sa limang kanto ata
dito naman sina Kutz at Buraot
anong nangyari ba’t late ang New Year sa barrio?
hehehe
meanwhile, kahit lumabas ka nang barrio, inaaway pa rin tayo! haller! hahaha!
Reynz,
Baka ibang klaseng new year ang sinecelebrate natin dito sa Barrio. Hahhaa.
Silver matagal na tayong may hidawaan. tapusin na rin natin dito.
Hahahaha…
Takte ka John! Tapusin ang dapat tapusin! (Labas gulok!)
Nawawala na nga ang Indian pana-kakana-kana (with matching singing and dancing with the stars beside the Barrio Siete kawa) trio natin nina Lee eh! Hahahha.
Hindi ako nakikipag away ha… I am attacking the issue and the arguments, not the person, remember? I told you I try to disagree without being disagreeable.
usyusero lang kami hehehe and honestly, we’re enjoying it nyahaha
sa totoo lang you guys are truly making good banat and i love the heated arguments and discussion. buti walang naglabasang mga 4 letter words hahaha
Wazzzz, wa ko feel makipag sabunutan, masisira ang image ni Papa Gordy, hehehehe. Gusto ni Papa Gordy na may disiplina ang mga Pilipino katulad ng disiplinang ipinapakita ng mga taga Olongapo under his leadership, heheheheee. Si Erap lang minumura ko. Saka si ano…at si ano.. HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAA!
Yung isa jan ang napipikon eh, nagsimula ng name calling, sabi “rabid” supporter daw ako, HAHAHAHAH! Kinagat ko tuloy yung aso ko para make sure na hindi ako rabbit este rabid! Pag buhay pa yung dog ko tomorrow at hindi pa naglalaway eh siguro hindi nga ako rabid.
P.S.
Paalala: Huwag basta maniniwala at magpapadala sa mga salita. Himayin ang bawat pangungusap at ihiwalay ang katotohanan sa opinyon.
Ateng Kutz,
Ubos na nga ang popcorn ko dito eh. Sa kakapanuod ng boxing nyo ni Buraot. Parang mas exciting pa nga kayo kesa sa Pacquaio-Clottey fight.
Kahit PPV ng laban nyo, magbabayad ako kahit mahal. LOL.
Ayos nga dito sa barrio, at least di tulad sa KaVilang VArrio e naglalamunan sila dun. Di tulad dito na kahit papaano, disente pa magcomment ang mga barriotics dito.
Mapwera lang pag may trolls at dun talaga nainit ang ulo ko.
yep. disiplina ang kailangan. pag hindi ka disiplinado, mapupukpok ka sa ulo.
wahahahhahah!
Kutz,
di mo na kelangang i-spell out. people here at the barrio have their own. you don’t have to treat them as students. nobody is asking anybody to believe in anything.
di po ako napipikon, nakukulitan lang, kasi paulit-ulit ka. oh sige nga, i-deny mo ngang hindi ka rabid supporter ni Gordon?
POPCORN PLEASE!!!
~sabay bukas ng Gordon’s gin~
Hehehe.
Halata mo, Reynz, walang masabi si Kishore tungkol kay Gordon? Hanggang personalan lang lahat.
Ikaw naman, Jet, what do u think of Dick’s decision to pardon Abu Sayyaf? Do u think that’s in any way problematic?
AHA!
@lila, I do feel like there are some “personal grievances” doon sa comments ni Kishore so, wez na ako join, i’ll just leave it that na lang, masyadong na-personal na.
BUT!
that was the very one thing na tumaas ang kilay ko with Gordon, his position with Abu Sayyak – now I remember.
Ay remember ko yan. PArang naging takure ang ulo ko nung narinig ko ang comment ni Gordon sa Abu Sayaff…after makidnap ang mga volunteer nya sa Red Cross!!!!
LEEECCCHHHHEEEE.
~ngata popcorn~
Lila, don’t you think that the Abu Sayaff episode if more a symptom of a bigger Mindanao problem? Everyone deserves a clean slate…
Jet,
there is definitely a much bigger problem in Mindanao. in this, we don’t have to be from Mindanao to see it. but of course, thoughts from the local communities matter a lot.
but pardoning the Abu Sayaff?
they’re simply a terrorist group. not a political armed group who espouses a certain ideology.
Can I write an article and post it in “this forum” — Kutz
You already have.
Not my forum but I suppose you can on the condition that you are credible or what you write is believable.
Personally, I won’t ask you for a court-certified evidence or proof.
like when i was denied service at a private hospital, said they need a medico legal. in the end, he admitted that he won’t treat me because “baka mapasara kami.”
way to go.
Ok, everyone listen to my bandillo:
after all these great banats and counter-banats, I seem to believe that everyone here seems to be in agreement that Gordon is not going to win. I can also read, that everyone is in agreement that he is indeed an effective leader.
if he won’t be the next President, why not consider him for a position in government where he could be as effective as he was during his term at SBMA? It seemed to me that his senate run did not bring much asset to him in terms of his running for presidency, otherwise, people would have rallied to his cause.
not even the Abu Sayyaf is giving him support with his peace stance with them. right?
corruption is still le numero uno de problema de notre patria adorada di ba? and the Commission on Audit has been pretty much irrelevant in its being.
why not put Richard Gordon at its helm? i bet you if he can fix that agency and i am sure he’ll deliver results, he’d have a pretty good shot at the next elections.
SAY?!
sure Reynz,
i do suggest to put him in charge of the BJMP. that works out fine.
Reynz,
Kasi naman, dapat the correct “thought process” in every elections is ………1) Who is the most qualified to be our President, 2) Who has the track record and clear plan for the country…then 3) Let’s work hard to get him elected by clearly explaining this to electorate …
What is happening is a “distorted thought process”….
1) Sino bang leading sa polls, yung may winnability?
2) Sino bang hindi dapat maging President? (read: Villar)
3) Sino bang may chance to defeat #2 (the demonized candidate – Villar)…answer: Noynoy
4) Let’s justify our answer in #3. Rather than talk about his plan for our country…
dapat the correct “thought process” in every elections
Jet naman, palihabsa ang masasabi ko parehas ang utak naten dahil prehas tayong galing nang public accounting firm.
Merong SHOULD BE
Merong ACTUAL
At merong ADJUSTING JOURNAL ENTRY
hahaha!
Unfortunately, reality is not accounting and auditing and people have their own basis of deciding on HOW to select a candidate. It’s what’s close to their heart and there is no adjusting journal entry here.
I won’t contest the SHOULD BE. But the candidate himself has to do the work para “marketable” sya, so I feel na the blame does not really rest 100% sa voting public should they decide not to follow the SHOULD BE kasi in their heart, they have their own metrics which could probably be not part of the SHOULD BE.
Jet, why don’t i invite you to write for you candidate and post it here sa B7? Tawagin mo si Kutz. Magaling yan hehehe hint: DLSU profesora ang lokang yan! Hahaha!
Hi Reynz,
Medyo natawa ako dun…
In Accounting (as in Elections) there is such a thing as “Timing Difference”… where the SHOULD BE can still be the ACTUAL (Journal Entry)… Which means we can still actualized the “should be winner”… in what we call: “campaigning” until May 10.
You know naman that this supposed “yellow winnability” was just a carry over of that memorable burial march last August (I should know, I brought 200 balloons in Cory’s gravesite that early morning) and not just a function of correct marketing and campaigning…
Sige let me thing about your offer… Really Kutz is from DLSU? Baka naging profesor ko pa? hehe….
You know naman that this supposed “yellow winnability” was just a carry over of that memorable burial march last August (I should know, I brought 200 balloons in Cory’s gravesite that early morning) and not just a function of correct marketing and campaigning…
I disagree your honor. Indi mo ako ma-convince dito sa “carry-over”. It did start there, pero it waned dahil nag start sa 60% di ba? Nawala na sya. Ang natira eh yong mga naniniwala gaya ko. Hehehe! Salamat naman sa baloons. In our case, we here in B7 started the yellow ribbon campaign. Check mo sa page “PRESS” hehehe.
Balik tau sa Election Accounting, takot ako sa “Timing Difference” given na there seemed to be some unforseen events which are determinable and estimable alam mo yon? Koryente, pakuti-kutitap. Ang number nang balota kulang. Ang valuation nang number of voters sobra sobra especially sa Cheating capital of the Philippines, Maguindanao area. Dead people has risen. Kaya takot akong merong maniobrang ginagawa sa Pasig on Allowances for Winnability nang Losing candidate. U know, parang accrual ba. Hahaha!
Oo Jet, palagi ako pumupunta diyan sa DLSU para bumili ng “banana fritters” sa cafeteria kasi pag sa labas “turon” na sya hindi sosyal, hehehehe.
Seriously, sa main campus sa Taft ako nagtapos- undergrad and master’s degree. Mababait sina Brother Joseph Scheiter, inadopt nila ako mula sa probinsya ng kutang bato (aka Cotabato) para makapag aral diyan kahit di ako rich *hikbi*. Kasi akala nila child prodigy ako – science and math whiz. Huli na nung nalaman nilang fake pala ang aking intelligence, hahahahaha, nakapirma na sila ng kontrata! Naku matagal na akong wala diyan, sumisikat pa lang si Jun Limpot noon sa basketball team ng green archer, graduate na ako!
Seriously, marami tayong mga green archers who frequent this site. I met Nina here isa ring alumna and I remember the son of Dr. Ching Limjap (Physics professor) also comes to this site at some point. Ako, tambay rito this week kasi Spring break but after this week magdidisapprearing act na naman ako.
So nice to meet you and ANIMO LA SALLE!
Kutz,
don’t leave just yet. mami-miss mo ako sige. i still have some more articles that we can argue about?
koreksyun Kutz hehe, history 101, dun kayo nag-meet sa reyna elena ni Jon Limjap, Nina and remember Dr. Joy?
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tsk…lahat naman yata, kultura na yan sa Pilinas…kahit sino sa mga presidentiables..maliban sa mga baguhan sa politics…pero ngayon lang ako nkabasa ng ayaw kay Gordon ah., my sama ka ba ng loob sa kanya??? talagang FACT ito ha??? non-Partisan. pero sa tingin ko, hmmmn, partisan ka…kasi wala ka man lang sinabing kahit papaano..pabor sa kanya…ang ganda sa Subic ah…
bryan, hindi ba obvious na masama ang loob ko? sempre, ikaw kaya, karapatan mo kaya ang matapakan, tingin mo matutuwa ka?
partisan? why don’t you define partisan? wala ba akong sinabing maganda? check mo kaya ulit yung article. maganda nga ang subic. wala naman akong sinabing hindi maganda. hindi ba magaganda rin ang ipinatay ni Imelda? hindi ba maganda rin naman ang ilocos? ano naman ang point nun?
hmmmmn..sa tingin ko matalino lang talaga ung mga naniniwala sa kanila..nagiging issue lagi yang political dynasty…anu naman kung galing naman sa isang pamilya…e kung my kakayahan naman…sa tingin ko rin, political dynasty ay ‘yong pinipilit mo o may ginagawa kang hindi nararapat para iboto ka…un yon..sa tingin ko bitter ka lang…dahil hindi ka tinanggap sa trabaho…at sa tingin ko, kahit ung pinakamagaling pa ang magpaliwanag sa’yo, hindi ka maniniwala, kasi…sarado isip mo..bukas lang para sa masama…
kung ako naman kay Sen. GOrdon noon..ung “Kung ayaw nyo sa patakaran ko, Lumayas kayo sa Olongapo.” tama ba..whatever! basta un, dapat lang un!! edi nadisiplina ang Olongapo…sa politics hindi sapat na laging MORAL lng ang pairalin, kailangan ipakita mo rin na my Power ka..kaya ka binoto ng tao, dahil nagpaubaya nila, parang sinabi na nila na “ikaw na bahala sa amin ah.”
aun..
bryan,
kapag ganyan ang attitude natin, na “ikaw na ang bahala sa amin” lalo tayong malulugmok sa patronage politics. and demokrasya dpata lahat tayo ay nagtutulong-tulong. hindi porke nakaboto na tayo, tapos na ang obligasyon natin sa bayan. kahit ang sa simpleng pagpuna gaya ng ginagawa ko, hindi lang kay Gordon, kundi pating sa iba pang mga trapo, obligasyon din yun.
sa usapin ng dynasties, walang ibang magandang example dyan kundi si JC Delos Reyes na kandidato ng Kapatiran. Pamangkin sya ni Gordon, at sya mismo ayaw nya ng dynasty simply for the fact na nakita nya yun first-hand.
masakit man tanggapin ganun ang pinapakita nila…”Ikaw na ang bahala sa amin” pero sagot dapat ng hinalal…”maki-cooperate kayo, sumunod kayo sa polisiya ko, hindi ung puro reklamo..”
oo nga noh…political dynasty…sa tingin ko talaga hindi totoo yan, parang taong naiingit na lang ang gumagawa nyan…kasi hindi naman pinipilit ang tao na iboto ang asawa, anak, pamangkin…hindi hinaharas, hindi tinututukan ng baril…ung nangyari sa maguindanao, un ang talagang pansinin nyo…kay raming armas na nakuha grabe, subra…ang gaganda ng bahay ng official, pero pinakamahirap ang province..
Bryan,
ang pagrereklamo ay isang makabayang obligasyon. ito ay dapat na tinitingnan na paraan upang mapabuti ang mga polisiya ng pamahalaan. ito rin ay esensya ng demokrasya.
ang pangyayari sa Maguindanao ay isang malaking halimbawa ng umiiral na bulok na sistema ng pagkakaroon ng political dynasties. hindi ba mainaw na political dynasty ang mga Ampatuans?
dun sa last reply nyo po sa akin…sabi ko nga po un ang pansinin nyo…okay?? alright. alright?? okay..
un na nga po, my karapatan tayo magreklamo…pero nagawa na ba ang pinakatama?? sumunod na ba tayo?? sumunod muna bago magreklamo…kung hindi, ikaw na ang mamuno…kaya pinipili ang leader para mamuno, kung may nagawa man syang mali nung “sumunod ka” dun ka magreklamo..
buhay ka pa pala Bryan.
eh ano nga bang ginagawa natin dito? hindi ba form ito ng pagrereklamo? tingin mo ba di namin sinubukan munang sumunod?
kaya nga me ganitong istorya eh, kasi me nakikita o nakitang mali. wala naman sigurong magreklamo ano?
okay? olrayt?
okey sa olrayt.
sige na nga tama ka na…
sige na nga tama ka na din.
ay ganun..hehehe..tnx, alam ko..hahaha…if you’re really open minded person…titingnan nyo po ang pagkakaiba nyo sa mga tao…nag-ngingitngit kayo habang ang iba ay naniniwala sa kanya…tatlo na kayo na my sinasabi tungkol kay Sen. Gordon..yong isa ung Representative ng 2nd District ng Zambales…at ung isa hindi ko kilala dati daw trabahador ng Senador sa Olongapo.,pero sa tingin ko hindi lang marunong umunawa…
ito ang issue…ang Gordon at Magsaysay ay magkalaban sa politics..so katulad mo tinitira mo rin sya…ooops…
ini-”EXPOSE” pala…
kapag naging Mayor ba ng isang bayan ang tao ano pong tawag sa kanya??? di po ba’t AMA ng Bayan ng Olongapo 4 example… so natural lang na sumunod po tayo…kahit minsan nami-misinterpret sya ng IBA…ikaw kuya.,hal. maging mayor ka…anu gagawin nyo po kapag nagkamali ang tauhan nyo?? magpapa-pancit po kayo?? kung tama pa pagkakaalala ko hindi magkakatrabaho sa SBMA ang walang voter’s ID…e kung un ang patakaran e.,i think, hindi un para siguraduhin na iboboto mo sya, kasi PRIORITY nila ang mga taga OLONGAPO…basta ang ganda ng Olongapo…
sana po maraming makabasa nito..para matupad na ang paghihiganti nyo…so you can be HAPPY…
i supposed you’re not for Sen. Gordon this election..ryt?? kanino po kayo by the way??? Gibo? Noynoy? Villar?
sila yata ang leading sa survey…tnx at hindi kayo nagagalit sa akin..
alam ko yang sinasabi mo bryan. pero wag mo akong ikukumpara dun sa sinasabi mong congressman. at para sa ikaliligaya mo, wala akong pakialam dun sa congressman na sinasabi mo dahil para sa akin, trapo din yun.
iho, yung voter’s id na yan, matagal nang nasagot. pakibasa mo lang dun sa ibang thread. at para sa mas ikasasaya mo pa ulit, kung patakaran man yun, e di sige. ang sinasabi ko, yung patalaran na ganun ay malinaw na nagagamit sa diskriminasyon. hindi yun sa kung iboboto mo sya, kundi ginagamit yun para masiguradong kakampi nila o magiging kakampi nila ang makakakuha ng trabaho. kung tingin mo hindi, eh ikaw na ang bahala tutal katawan mo yan.
at tama ka na naman. maraming nakakabasa nito. peri hindi dahil sa paghihiganting sinaabi mo. walang atraso sa akin ang mga gordon. sa taumbayan siguro meron. so yo, i’m sure wala.
at tama ka ulit. hindi ko iboboto si gordon. at mali, wala kina gibo, villar at noynoy ang iboboto ko.
sino? ewan ko, baka si daddy daddy na lang siguro.
thank you po sa pag-entertain sa akin…kamsahamnida!!! last question…Bakit nyo po ginawa ang Article?? i’m asking the man within you sir…i mean answer this through your conscience…
walang problemo bryan. kung pro-gordon ka, ok lang naman sa akin. di ko naman sinasabing baguhin mo ang pananaw mo.
bakit ko ginawa ang article? para ikwento ang aking karanasan. dadagdagan ko pa angh tanong mo. bakit ngayon lang? kasi nung matapos ang mga pangyayari sa akin, nagtrabaho ako sa media hanggang sa makapunta ako dito sa amerika. at bilang media, bawal magsulat ng tungkol sa bagay na may personal na kinalaman ka.
at bakit ngayon kung kelan tumatakbo si dick? precisely why i did it, and will do some more. dahil eleksyon, i want other people to know him more, higit pa dun sa PR at mababangong kwento tungkol sa kanya. dahil para sa akin, karapatan ng mga botante na malaman ang lahat ng bagay sa isang kandidato negatibo man o positibo. kagaya ng isyu ng Luisita kay Noynoy at C5 ni villar.
but of course, at the end of the day, ang mga tao ang magdedesisyon kung sino ang gusto nila. kung di man sila maniwala or maniwala man pero mas gusto pa rin nila ang kandidato nila, it’s totally up to them.
as for me, i did my part.
muchas gracias senior!!!
de nada.
From the lips of a dying President
By Salvador H. Laurel
Former Vice President of the Philippines
Chairman, National Centennial Commission
Manila Bulletin
Tues., Oct. 21, 1997
The Senate Blue Ribbon Committee and the House Committee on Good Government are now conducting separate investigations on “Operation Big Bird,” a cloak and dagger operation undertaken eleven years ago to bring back the alleged “hidden wealth” of Ferdinand Marcos. The investigations were called in response to President Ramos’ request for specific congressional authority to settle the Marcos issue once and for all.
Mr. Ramos was quick to add that the hidden wealth issue could have been resolved earlier by the Cory administration.
I can attest to that. Weak and already on his deathbed when I visited him in Hawaii on February 3, 1989, Marcos personally asked me to convey to Cory Aquino his offer to give up 90% of his earthly possessions to the Filipino people, through a Foundation which he had set up, but Cory only would allow him to die in his own country and be buried beside his mother.
I related this incident in a book “Neither Trumpets Nor Drums,” published in 1992 right after I ended my term as Vice President of the Philippines.
Pertinent portions that book I now quote for the benefit of those who have not read it.
“One of the most unforgettable trips I took as Vice President was my visit to Honolulu on February 3 and 4 1989.
“On February 2nd, at about 5 p.m., I received an urgent call from Mrs. Imelda Romualdez Marcos in Honolulu. She was sobbing on the phone. “ Doy, pwede ka bang maka-punta rito? Masama na ang tayo ni Ferdinand. Gusto kang kausapin. Baka hindi na siya magtagal Please, please come,’ she pleaded.
“I’ll have to cancel my appointments. Maybe I can go in few days?” I asked.
“She interrupted me, ‘Baka hindi mo na siya abutin. Please come as soon as possible!”
“I thought about it. The cases filed against the Marcoses had been pending for three years, yet nothing had happened. And the nation remained fragmented. Perhaps, if I tried the Lincolnian approach – ‘With malice toward none, with charity for all’ – we might be able to settle the issue and unite the nation.
“Then I remembered Imelda’s plea: ‘Gusto kang kausapin.’ Maybe there is a chance – maybe he is ready to settle?
“She first briefed me about President Marcos’ condition – that he was very weak. The doctors who were attending to him told me he had a less than 50 percent chance of surviving, that he might not even last three months.
“Then they took me to the Intensive Care Unit.
“I could not recognize Ferdinand Marcos when I saw him. The Marcos I knew was athletic, active, and articulate. The man I saw was skin and bones. About eighty-five pounds. Imelda announced cheerfully: ‘Andy, Andy, narito na ang Batangueño, narito na si Doy.’
“His eyes opened. He recognized me. He tried to talk. But only his lips moved. There was no sound.
“He signaled the nurse to remove the tube imbedded in his throat.
“The Nurse pulled out the long tube and asked me to bend closer so I could hear. Finally I heard his voice, very faint, almost a whisper. “Salamat, brod, nakarating ka. I have something to tell you.’
“I interrupted him: ‘Before you start, Mr. President, may I ask just one question?
“He nodded.
“Why did you call me, Mr. President? Why me of all people? I vehemently oppose you. I was probably one of those responsible for your ouster Why Me?’
“He signaled me to stop.
“Say no more, brod,’ he said. ‘I never held that against you. You did what you had to do as leader of the opposition for many years. You opposed me on principle, never on personality. You were against martial law but you were noble about it, unlike some people. Besides, I cannot forget your father. I owe him my life, not once but thrice. Let me talk now. I have very little time.’
*** “Please tell Mrs. Aquino to stop sending me her relatives. They are proposing and asking so many things. All I want is to die in my country…I will run over 90 percent of all my worldly possessions to our conversation to our people. I ask only 10 percent for my family.’
“Just let me die in my own country. I want to be buried beside my mother.’
“His breathing had become more labored. The nurse stopped our conversation. ‘He has to rest not,’ she said.
“Before leaving I told him: ‘Mr. President, I do now know if Mrs. Aquino will listen to me, but I will try.’
“I hurried back to Manila to transmit Marcos’ message to President Aquino. I asked for an appointment but Cory would not see me. Here I was, her own Vice-President, asking only for three minutes of her time to convey an important message from her predecessor, and she would not see me. I was told by her Executive Secretary (Catalino Macaraig) she was busy. I learned later that she had allocated an hour to Tom Cruise, an American movie star.
“In view of her repeated refusal to see me and hear what I had to say, I wrote her a letter dated February 5, 1989: “Since my arrival yesterday, I have been trying to get an appointment with you…
*** “I hope you will find time to listen to the highly confidential message of Mr. Marcos considering its serious import and far- reaching consequences upon your administration and the nation as a whole.”
The next day, Cory replied:
“As to the highly confidential message from former President Ferdinand E. Marcos, I feel that in the light of your representation of its ‘serious import and far-reaching consequences upon your (my) administration and the nation as a whole,’ such message should be disclosed to the public rather than kept confidential. This is in accordance with my announced policy of utmost transparency in the management of the affairs of the country.”
On the same day I wrote back: “ I am still hoping that you will change your mind and receive the message in a private, non-political, direct, and unfiltered manner, beyond any personal and partisan consideration.
“As to your published suggestion that I share with the public the highly confidential information, I am afraid I am not yet at liberty to do so considering that the message was entrusted to me in confidence to be delivered to you personally. Only you and former President Marcos can declassify or disclose this message.
“Let us give national reconciliation and national stability every chance to succeed for the sake of our fragmented people..” (Neither Trumpets Nor Drums, at pp 104-111, 1986 ed, Second printing)
I never received any further reply from Cory.
Cory’s refusal to receive Marcos’ message was perhaps her biggest mistake. Had she studied it carefully, she could have settled the Marcos wealth issue eight years ago. Perhaps we could have paid off our foreign debt!
bryan, gusto mo lang yatang gumawa ng bog, di mo pa sabihin. nobela na yang ini-post mong comment, wala pang kinalaman dito. ano yan? spamming tawag dyan iho.
hehehe!
sorry po..sorry talaga..
anghahaba ng mga comments kakatamad basahin.
didnt gordie has another famous line?
“we dont have prostitution here in olongapo we only have entertainment with _ _ _”
welcome fza. hehehe. medyo napahaba kasi ang diskusyunan, napasobra kami sa kape. wehehehe.
Sir this is quite an old topic pero I have to say this coincides with the issues the Preda foundation says about Senator Gordon, mukhang totoo nga ah:
http://www.preda.org/main/archives.htm
Naniniwala po ako sa inyo kasi nag cocoincide sya with what you say
what is your opinion po tungkol sa mga issues na ito
the issue that is the main concern of PREDA is child exploitation and child sex. unfortunately, damay din si Gordon dahil sa kanyang stance on prostitution that in one way or another, nagiging dagdag pa sa pagkakaroon ng child sex workers. and quite obviously Gordon’s treatment to public criticisms.
ano ba patakaran nya? diba discipline, hard work, integrity, humanitarian cause, volunteerism.. kung ayaw mo ng ganyan, ikaw ang hindi pilipino
kung bwaya man siya sampu ng kanyang family, at least mga busog, kung papalitan mo ng gutom, un ang nakakatakot, parang si marcos dati, pinalitan ng mga gutom na bwaya kaya maraming nawala sa pilipinas
so okay lang kahit buwaya, kasi busog. ang galing.
just one rule. gordon’s rule. ang hindi sumunod ay hind taga olongapo. dont he dare compare himself to leekuanyew. lky tames the people who dont obey rules while gordon… i hate to write this but he simply just get them…ki
Ay sus ang tatalino nyong lahat! Kayo na bida! Kayo na magaling!
Hiya naman ako perfect ang madami dito sa B7…super perfect, walang bahid ng dumi ang mga ugali…malilinis ang pamumuhay!
hahaha! Jasper! wag ka ngang pikon dyan hehehe! wag mong gayahin si Willie!
di ko napansin, dito pa lang pala me ghost na.
On the rise of dynasty, may kulang sa presentation hindi detalyado kung paano nila nagawang magpalaki ng business, paano sila naluklok sa power meron ba silang nakakalaban? bakit nila natalo? lumalabas kasi na lumaki yung business nagiging official halos lahat ng kapamilya at yun na naging parang dynasty na. hindi ganun, malamang kasi nagsumikap yung pamilya gordon, nag isip at mga masisipag kaya sila nag excel or sadyang magaling na mga leader at kaya naluklok sa puwesto. di dapat rise of dynasty ang nagiging heading dito kasi hindi yun yung laman. biased.
command and control. you have to understand na kung wala si gordon walang sbma.or kung meron man hindi tulad ng sbma the gordon way. kaya pinangangalagaan yan ni gordon. yung paghihingi ng voters ID if its a fact eh anu ngayon? bakit humingi ng id anung reason? may detalye ba?? or proof na ginagamit yun sa ibang agenda? for all we know ang purpose lang pala is for identification lang talaga. its just an ID at yun ang isa sa pinakamadaling kunin na ID. dapat po ninyong malaman na marami po tayong mahirap na kababayan na di po makakuha ng kahit anung ID. kung voters ID na lang ho yung ni require dahil madaling maprovide we have to understand. masyadong binibigyan ng malisya ang part na to na wala namang binigay na dahilan kung bakit at anung mali sapaghingi ng voters ID. at ako po’y nagtatrabaho sa isang multinational company dito bilang enhenyero di naman po ako hiningan ng voters ID eh.
you have to know the story behind kung bakit nagkagulo nun sa pagpapaalis kay gordon sa sbma. ang pinakita lang dito ay ang pakikipaglaban ni gordon na naging pwersahan. ang dahilan kung bakit ay wala. ang istorya sa likod ng mga aksyon ay wala. yun ang isa sa pinaka importanteng malaman ng mga mambabasa para maintindihannila bakit yun ginawa ni gordon. biased.
conclusion?? hilaw. kulang. biased. di dapat paniniwalaan kaagad nga mga mambabbasa.
ke proof yung voters ID o hindi, ke me malisya o wala, discrimination po ang tawag dun. at yun, magtutuwad ka man o hindi, ay MALI.
at kagaya ng mga istasyon ng radyo at telebisyon, kung ayaw mo ng palabas, ay malaya kang ilipat ang istasyon.
discriminasyon pag hihingan ng ID? hahaha
at pwede ring kahit ayaw mo eh panonoorin mo parin at di mo ililipat.
e di sige, magtanga tangahan ka. pero me mga katulad ko na hindi naman ipinanganak kahapon. bakit hindi ID ang hingin? bakit voter’s ID. ano naman kinalaman nun? palusot ka pa eh.
sige wag mo ilipat, choice mo naman yun. wala naman pumipigil sa yo. gusto mo mas bastos pang pangalan ang gamitin mo eh. ok lang. it only shows who your are anyway.